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08-12-2001, 04:55 PM
Hi, I am new to this board and am looking for advise.
Living in Iowa,We can now use Handguns for deer.
Never have owned a Centerfire handgun.
Law states .357 cal or larger, straight wall case and no fmj bullets.
I have been partial to single action in rimfire. And like Ruger Firearms. Would a single action .357 be a good place to start? Or what would reccomend?
08-12-2001, 06:41 PM
Welcome to huntchat.
I use a T/C contender in .35 rem. 14 inch barrel and 4x scope. I have also shot a 7-30 waters and think that is a nice ticket also.
My hunting partner uses a t/c in 357 MAX.
One good shot is all it takes.
There are a lot of good handguns for deer. .357 would be minimum caliber wise and something bigger would be better. I have a Ruger Vaquero in .45 Colt that I love and carry when hunting but haven't fired it at a deer yet. It can be loaded to equal or exceed .44 mag. levels. Do you want to use a scope or open sights? A Conteder might be an option with it's ability to chage caliber with the switch of a barrel. While I don't consider them a handgun in the strictest sense, they are pretty useful. Classic
08-12-2001, 07:24 PM
Whatever you do DO NOT FORGET the earmuff's when you start to practice!Just think of handgun hunting as bow-hunting that goes BANG.Keep your ranges short and find a good ambush site.Try to find out someone to let you try out different types(double-action vs single-action)and calibers.Stay away from to light for caliber weights;ie .357-110grain!
If you can get a contender you will not be disappointed!
08-12-2001, 09:21 PM
Yotebuster,Classic &JMarriot: Thanks for your replies.
You all seem to agree on the Contender. It is definately something I would Consider. I have never had the Opportunity to shoot one. But have looked at them in Gun shops and like the look and feel of them. The switch barrel feature could open up possibilities for Varmint Shooting.
I think I would like to start with a relatively mild Cartridge I would think that means 357/38 spec. or 44 Mag/44 spec. Don`t reload yet and must consider cost of practice ammo.
I have to use a straight wall cartridge which lets out some proven Deer Cartridges like 30/30 or .35 Rem.Have never seen .357 Max,assume that is a wildcat requiring Handloading.
Don`t consider myself a wimp, but don`t think I want to start with 45/70. That could be too much fun for a Rookie.
J.D., I think the Conteneder would be exempt from the straight walled rule because it is a single shot, not a revolver. It would be worth checking out. There are a lot of mighty fine bottle neck deer cartridges in the Contender. Classic
08-14-2001, 08:23 PM
if you have bout 1000 dollars laying around buy a desert eagle .50 caliber semi-auto handgun, only holds 7 shots but great big game round.
08-15-2001, 11:37 AM
I would go with the .44 mag or .45 colt in a Ruger.Both are very capable for deer and the Ruger in .45 colt can handle hannd loads that other guns chambered for this round can't. (excluding the Contender as it is very capable)MC
08-18-2001, 06:04 AM
I hunt with a Super Redhawk in 44 mag. I have been thinking about reinforcing my fleet with one of the new Redhawks in 454/45 long colt. I have taken several Whitetails with the 44 and it works well.Practice,practice and get close. I agree with yotebuster, its bowhunting that goes bang.
[Edited by bridgefarmer on 08-28-2001 at 11:15 PM]
08-18-2001, 10:48 PM
The Ruger GP-100 is A great .357 Magnum for deer. The Taurus Tracker is much better though for that and about any other .357 Magnum pistol purpous being an 8 shot, awsum balance, made of titanieum, super accurate, low and stable kick, and has verey tight blast compression between the cylinder and the barrel. The trigger pull will impress you also and is about the same price as the Ruger. A little more expensive but far more then worth it's buck compared to just about all others.
Go check one out and you will see exactley what I meane. It kinda looks like A space age Colt Python and is far more supperior then it looks.
08-18-2001, 10:59 PM
Might I also mention that the .44 Magnum Desert Eagle is also verey good especialey if you wana take A deer at ranges like 200-300 yards. However, the Desert Eagle is rather expensive, ammo sensative wear anything lighter then 240gr Jacketed ammo won't requail the slide every time and opperating the gun takes some getting use to. It is A verey good gun for the woods since it can take just about any game and the fact that it kicks almost exactley like A Bryco Jennings 9 ( 9mm ), it will be verey ideal for A follow up shot if you miss or if you end up on aother animals dinner menue.
08-18-2001, 11:27 PM
Get the contender but and stay away from "200 or 300 yard auto handguns" !
If you have to even think about a desert eagle get the 50, 44's stovepipe in it alot. In very large hands you might be able to shoot it well. The better you seem to grip the Eagle in 44 the less it will stovepipe I am first to admit but if you can't palm a basketball I don't think it will fit you well. The 44 mag does not work well in autos simply because of the round not the handgun. They dont scope well, you can't get a bi-pod for them and the won't outshoot groups you can do with a contender no matter which caliber.
One good shot is all it takes. The new contender frames will be out soon also but until I accually see one just get the original model. You will finally feel a great trigger if you don't know what one feels like.
08-28-2001, 09:52 PM
Jmarriott is actualey right in A sence.
In my honnest opinion, no auto pistol is perfictley reliable unless it is tuned by hand. Desert Eagles in realey all caliber including the .50AE are known for stove pipes. I have never had any problems with stove pipes with my .44 Magnum but I also tuned the gun and mags to wear stove pipes are next to imposible and also that I myself handle A desert Eagle like most people I know handle standerd 9mm handguns.
Without tuning, any Desert Eagle is easaley capable of stove pipe jams and in fact, from reading many many reviews, people seame to think the .50AE version is the highest rate of stove pipes based on heavy requail but some admit that their all fairley reliable if held firmley duering fire.
Any chamber gun you get should be tuned before taking it out. Even if it comes tuned, take it down to A gunsmith and make sure it has been done wright. Gun tuning is an art and it is wear an expert of how the whole ball game works goes through the entire gun and makes sure that everything is reliable and fits all parts to see to it that the bullet gets in and out of the chamber every time. Almost any chamber firearm is equiley reliable if tuned including the Desert Eagle even if you are not big or have small hands.
However, I would advise you not get anything lighter then 240gr Jacketed ammo for the .44 Desert Eagle and nothing hotter then 270gr Jacketed and watch what you can fit in the mags. Some longer cartrages may get stuck in the mags but If you have it tuned, use good quality mags ( Factory or Pro Mag perferd, I myself like Pro Mag better ) MRI recomended ammo no lighter then .240gr, take good care of the gun and use proper posture in fireing it, the Desert Eagle is realey no less reliable then any other auto pistol reguardless what caliber.
08-29-2001, 10:54 AM
I got a bit carried away, use an Encore in .270 with a Holosight. I double checked with the MN DNR and was told there was no regulations concerning how big just a minimum caliber. Shots are still kept under 75 yards, as our woods is rather dense. I got a bit caught up in the bigger is better war I guess but it shoots great. Also have a 22-250 barrel so it does double duty as a varmit rig. If your stuck using straight wall ammo its tough to beat the versatility of an Encore or Contender.
08-29-2001, 04:36 PM
I also hunt in Iowa, all of the four guys that I hunt with have chosen the Rugers. I purchased a 10 1/2 44 mag this year. I hunted with a 357. I would go for the bigger caliber. If your not into reloading I would go with the 44.
I'm not an expert by anymeans just sharing what everone told me when I was making my choice. Depending on the season your hunting here in Iowa its nice to be able to take that second deer if you have the tags, wich can be tough with a single shot.
What part of Iowa do you hunt?
08-29-2001, 04:40 PM
the contender is not exempt, single shot or not. Doesn't make much sence we can coyote hunt with rifles during deer season but you can't shoot a deer with them.
Right IAbowhntr, the contender isnt exempt from caliber selection, however the 45/70 is exempt from the straight wall rule. A contender is legal in 45/70.
09-01-2001, 06:41 PM
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I've been successfully hunting deer with a handgun in Iowa since the first season in '97 and hunting other things with handguns for many years before that.
A .44 Mag is all you'll ever need for Iowa deer. Anything more will ruin more meat, cost more money, and destroy more of your hearing. If you like Rugers (as I do) then I'd highly recommend a Super Blackhawk with 7 1/2 barrel. A .44Mag Contender with 12" or 14" is pretty handy too, when you learn to make that first shot count then the rapidity of a second shot isn't that critical. My backup pistol is a stainless Contender with a 14" barrel.
If you can afford it, and maybe over a couple of years, it's nice to have at least two hunting handguns. Like everything else you'll never know when you might need a backup - something breaking the day before hunting season, scope goes bad, etc.
If you want a scope check out the electronic red-dot sights. They're pretty handy and can be used with both eyes open, hands down the best scope for a novice to use. Magnified scopes are more difficult to master on a handgun because of the extreme eye relief required. If you do get a magnified scope I'd recommend a fixed 2x or a 1-4x variable.
Practice a lot. At least 250 rds with the same kind of ammo you're going to hunt with. To become even more proficient get a .22LR pistol with similar sights and shoot a couple thousand rds in the off season. Hitting with a handgun is way harder than it looks, it takes a ton of practice and good stalking skills fill the tag. -- Kernel
09-03-2001, 07:34 AM
rugers in either 44 mag or 45 Long Colt are hard to beat. plenty powerful for all north america with the proper handload. One thing That I did when I had the itch to get into handgun hunting was to go for the whold ball of poop. I went out and got my self a Dan Wesson 445 supermag. I know all the 454 shooters will say that the 454 is more powerful but I will challange any in an accuracy test at 100-200 yards and see who comes out on top. I have no doubt that the Dan Wesson will. Also remember a handgun is basically a long range punching press it puts a whole through and animal with hard cast bullets. Its takes a whole lot of velosity to be able to get that temporary wound channel that you get with a rifle. A handgun simpaly cannot do that. So we (handgunners) use caliber and bullet diameter to kill or prey. Like others have said it takes a lot of practice to be proficient at this new game. It is very addicting and sporting. its like archery that goes bang well said by the others. But with either one the 44 or 45 will serve you well.
09-13-2001, 09:23 PM
I first used a hand gun hunting back when I was a boy. Took raccoons and rabbits with a .38 Smith. Later, graduated up to a Ruger .357 single action. Deer, hog, and two cows (by invitation I assure you !). I take a .45 Colt,or a .44 mag handgun now, when I go hunting. All the game I have taken with a hand gun, was under 50 yards. These days, I never go with just a handgun, unless I am going to be wading waist deep in a creek or swamp. I use only iron sights. From my experience, if you are a good shot, and are willing to not shoot game past the range you KNOW you can hit the animal properly, the .357 will take a deer easily. A bigger gun is fine, but the main thing is to practice a lot, and know your capabilities.
09-19-2001, 11:19 AM
There is a lot of good advise in here. As for me, I shoot a 44 mag Ruger with a 7 1/2 inch barrel with Nosler 240gr partitions and a Nikon 2-7 scope. It has been an excellent deer gun for me. I like the dot scopes with no magnification better, but that part is just personal preference. I have used .357's for deer and they work well, but the 44 gives you a little bit more of an edge in bullet weight and penetraion. Remember to keep your range within reason and practice often.--Good luck!
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