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08-13-2001, 06:04 PM
We hear so much about great customer service these days that it pains me to write about a bad example. In fact, it was the absolute worst customer service I’ve ever experienced.

The product and company involved are Sure-Fire flashlights and Laser Products Limited, respectively. Here’s my tale:

Two years ago I purchased a Sure-Fire Model 6P flashlight at a gun show. I had read many good reviews of the product, and thought it would be a good accessory to go with my concealed handgun. And so I looked forward to a good experience. From the very beginning, I was disappointed.

When I got it home (and after the gun show closed) I discovered that the interior of the flashlight was corroded beyond salvage. Apparently the original batteries, which were supposed to be included, had leaked and destroyed the light. I realized immediately that the seller had cheated me, but the documents in the package said there was a lifetime warranty. So I packed it up with a letter of explanation and mailed it off to the warranty center listed. After a while, I must have forgotten about it.

But six months later, I saw a Sure-Fire flashlight in a magazine ad, and I suddenly remembered the one I had mailed off. I found the web address of the Laser Products warranty center, and e-mailed them. They gave me a service representative’s name and a phone number. I called, but was told they had no package on file under my name. They would research it and call me back, I was promised. Three weeks later, no call back. I called them again and was told that they hadn’t had a chance to look for my package. They would get right on it.

They did call me some days later, but only to say that they had no record of my package. I reiterated that it had been sent. He then said he’d speak to his supervisor to see what they could do. That was the last contact I had with them for another month. I now suspected that I was getting the run-around, and that they just wanted me to go away.

I called again after a month, but only got a repeat of the story that they had no record of my package. When I reminded my contact that he was going to try to get me a replacement regardless, he stumbled about for a bit, but finally agreed to send a replacement right away. I gave him my address again, and thanked him.

Several more months went by. It had now been more than a full year since I had mailed that original light to them. I had now concluded that the Laser Products Company was no better than that cheating dealer that had sold me the light. I did some research and got the name and address of a vice-president of the company, and sent him a letter of complaint. I detailed the above situation, giving the name of my contact. I stated that while I could not prove that I had sent them a defective light, I gave him my word as a military officer and a freelance writer that I had indeed done so. I further expressed my anger at having been put off and lied to. That letter was mailed two months ago.

The vice-president of Laser Products has not seen fit to respond.

Therefore, I am posting this as a warning to all concerned. The Laser Products Company of Fountain Valley, California (makers of Sure-Fire lights and other products) apparently care nothing for the customer. Their customer service is either totally inept or dishonest. They do not return correspondence, they do not return telephone calls. Worse, they appear willing to lie to a customer. I urge you to reconsider purchasing or using their products. I am posting this here, and will send copies to magazines which carry Sure-Fire advertisements.

Rocky Raab

Deerdog
08-13-2001, 06:46 PM
Hey Rocky,
Mightn not hurt to let them know you have posted this on this site which has quite a few viewers. E-mail them and ask them to check out your post.

You mentioned you were an Officer in the military. Where are you at and what do you do. I am one also

Deerdog

RASteele
08-13-2001, 08:28 PM
Rocky Raab-

I listen to a talk radio show whenever I get the chance. He is Tom Martino and is called the "Trouble Shooter". He helps with *all* kinds of consumer problems. He is *very* good and gets most of the "real" problems solved. One of his staff members is a shooter (he may be, also) so you don't have to worry about "anti-shooter bias".

Here are two numbers that you can call: Call-In Number: TOLLFREE 1-866-966-HELP (4357) Hotline:TOLLFREE 1-866-966-9696 (Follow-Ups, Experts) During Show Only

You can also go to his website troubleshooter.com.

I am positive that he can get you satisfaction!

(No, I don't work for him.)

JJ
08-14-2001, 07:11 AM
Thanks for the info Rocky. There are to many companies out there that have excellent customer service. I wouldn't waste my hard earned money on a company that treats its customers that way. Even if your problem is one that just fell though the cracks, how many times has this happened to others?! I'll take my chances elsewhere! Thanks!

Dan Johnson
08-14-2001, 10:16 PM
Thanks for the heads-up, Rocky. I have a list of manufacturers I refuse to review due to poor customer service. I'll add these guys to the list.

Dan C. Johnson

Nickathome
08-15-2001, 09:44 AM
Sorry to hear of your problem. I think I'll contact this outfit, and tell them that I was warned not to buy anything from them, just to let them know their reputation is not good, and that we, the consumers know about it.

grayghost
08-15-2001, 10:42 PM
I won't ever buy from them. Glad you warned us Rocky, their ad looked like something I wanted, not now.

gregbullet
08-16-2001, 12:07 PM
I don't want to be flamed too bad on this one, BUT Rocky remember that saying- no tickee no laundree. You may be a man of your word-but how many people out there are not? What if you might of sent your package to the wrong address? or it was lost? On all returned items or repairs always send certified-it's around a dollar more, and you have the recievers signature for your records. If neither you or the company have any record of the shipment, then who is in the wrong? Sorry can't blame the customer service on this one.

Dan Johnson
08-16-2001, 02:05 PM
Not flaming you, just offering a different opinion. First, I wouldn't do business with a laundry that would keep my clothes if I lost the ticket. Second, the company rep said he would replace the light and failed to do so. Had he told Rocky straight out that he could not replace the light without a record of its return, there might be some room for forgiveness. But with any business that hopes to succeed there is one engraved in stone rule here. When there is doubt, the customer is always right. Sure they have to protect themselves from fraud, but a smart company will give the customer the benefit of the doubt unless fraud is obvious. My problem with the way this was handled is not so much that a replacement was not sent but rather that the customer was given the runaround.

Dan Johnson