Rocky, any experience with..284 WIN??

[boogercounty]

...curious if you have had any experience with this cartridge???

I am thinking about rechambering a Savage 16FLSS, from 7mm-08, to .284 Win. This has for years been my dream rifle. I want a sporter barrel, synthetic or laminated stock, in a 7 1/2 pound package, at an affordable price.

Before anyone replies that the new WSM's are available in factory rifles, let me say, "Yeah, so???" The new fad cartridges just don't interest me. One problem with them is how long it will be before ammo is available for them at the local WalMarts. Can you imagine some of the looks on the clerks' faces when you try to tell them WHICH .300 Magnum cartridge you need????? Is it a 300 Win Mag, a 300 Win Short Mag, a 300 Rem Ultra Mag, a 300 Rem Short Action Ultra Mag, a 300 H&H mag, a 300 Weatherby Mag, etc, etc.??? Or could it be a 300 Savage??? And right on down the line with the 270's, 7MM's, 257's, etc!!!

A friend of mine has a small gun shop, and he occasionally sights in scopes for people. Recently, a fellow brought a 7mmWSM rifle to him to sight in the scope. The owner had fired it 6 or 7 shots, and just couldn't stand any more recoil.

Is this where we're headed, with all the new magnum cartridges, that allow you to miss game by a larger margin??? If you can't handle the recoil, and flinch at the shot, what is the point??? An animal missed with a .500 Mangle-Um is no more in the bag than one missed with a .30-30 Winchester.


I reload, so ammo for the .284 wouldn't be a problem. I killed my first 2 deer with a Model 100 Winchester in .284, and have ever since wanted a bolt rifle in this caliber.

The .284 will take any critter that I will ever get the chance to hunt on this continent, and at any distance I would feel comfortable in trying. Recoil would be manageable, and , I believe, accuracy would be adequate.

Yeah, I know it sounds as if my mind is already made up, but, please share any knowledge or experience, if you would.

P.S. As I get older, I find myself leaning more toward "classic" chamberings, and rifles. My .250 Savage is one little jewel!!!

[Rocky Raab]

Just in from a trip....

Nope, I've never owned a 284. But I've seldom read anything bad about it except those who claim that it won't handle heavy bullets well because you have to seat them deep in the case.

(Which is dumb. ALL cartridges have to have heavy bullets seated deeper than light ones. We generally have to back off on the powder charge with heavy bullets, too. So it's a sort of self-compensating thing.)

The 284 has almost exactly the same case capacity as a 280. Which means that it is just about as efficient, and will launch identical bullets at about the same speed as a 280. That's no slouch, either. Because the round AND rifle actions are a bit shorter, you may be able to add a couple inches to the barrel and still have a well-balanced and maneuverable rifle. That's a great idea.

[buckhunter]

I'm not Rocky nor do I have 1/10 the knowledge he does relative to sporting arms but I have heard, and maybe its a lot of bull, that the throat in the chamber in the 284 will wear out quickly. Anybody else hear/know that? Then again maybe that was the 264. This is coming from a huge 280 fan.

[Rocky Raab]

That was probably the infamous 264 Win Mag, bc. The 284 is actually pretty docile as far as throat erosion is concerned. (That's what I read, anyway.)

As an item of trivia, the 264 WM is/was one of the VERY few cartridges to come factory loaded with a canister-grade powder. All others use bulk-grade powders (largely for economy) that don't exactly match the canister powders you and I buy.

Anybody care to guess what the 264 powder is?

[BlueMoon]

My guess would be W760.

[buckhunter]

Just to be different I'd guess one of the IMR's

[Rocky Raab]

Hey, buckhunter, you can't win with a guess THAT general! ;)

Might as well say "smokeless" !!!

[Jack]

I'm gonna guess IMR-7828.

[Rocky Raab]

That's it, Jack! IMR 7828.

[AZZAFOX]

The . 284 is the original short magnum that has spawn some pretty awesome wild cats. The .264 Win Mag is the cartridge that had throat erosion problems and that has put me of wanting one.
I do want to get my hands on a 6.5 magnum other thn the winchester for varmint on long range bunnies. It would be a nice complimentary gin for my 6,5 x 55.:D

[Rocky Raab]

Remington had that same idea, Fox. They called it the 6.5 Rem Mag. It used almost the same case as their equally obsolete 350 Magnum.

You can combine your loves and build a 6.5x284. Believe it or not, Norma even provides brass for it pre-formed!