View Full Version : "Out of Box" accuracy????
12-06-2005, 03:32 PM
Question... actually two questions...
FIRST ...In your opinion, what company, as we speak, offers the best "out of box accuracy" in a sporting model bolt action rifle?
SECOND ...Also in your opinion, what is this accuracy a function of, i.e. barrel, action, trigger ect...
Just curious... I'll tell you my opinion a little later...
12-06-2005, 04:07 PM
It depends on what box the rifle comes out of that determines the accuracy potential. I do not believe that one single brand is more accurate than another. I own very many major brands of rifles and each can be very accurate.
Accuracy depends on the ammo, scope and the abilities of the shooter. All the best...
12-06-2005, 04:17 PM
#1 SAVAGE, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AND RANGE TIME. 2 112'S AND 1 110.
#2 FIND THE RIGHT LOAD. EVEN WITH FACTORY AMMO SAVAGE SHOT THE BEST WHEN COMPARED AGAINST WINCHESTER AND REMINGTON. THIS WAS A TEST DONE BY FELLOW RANGE MEMBERS WITH NEW RIFLES WHO HAD PURCHASED NEW RIFLES, WE PICKED 3 CARTRIDGES '06, 270, AND 243.
HOWEVER...........NONE WERE DISMALL SHOOTERS AND ALL WOULD BE TOTALLY USEABLE FOR FIELD USE AND HARVESTING GAME ANIMALS. ALSO THE REMINGTONS DID NOT LOSE ANY BOLT HANDLES. THEY WERE INTACT AT THE END OF THE TEST. :eek:
THE RESULTS MAY BE SOMEWHAT SKEWED BECAUSE THE RIFLES TESTED 3 SAVAGES 2 REMINGTONS AND 2 WINCHESTERS. I WOULD USE ANY OF THE 7 AND NOT FEEL HANDICAPPED.
12-06-2005, 05:59 PM
I shoot a lot of new rifles. The best "out of the box" is the win. M70, or browning A-bolt with the boss option, but it will drive you to drink getting there. I have seen all brands shoot extremely well, and then those that never shoot under 3 inches @ 100 yards. The Remington 700 is the most inconsistent, some shooting very well, others not. I would say the Savage has a better average group than the remington, or non-boss M70. The MOA weatherby vangaurd is a very good shooter, but as i told a guy looking at one, you can`t buy the weatherby rifle thats not the MOA, because those others, weatherby guarantees won`t shoot.
12-06-2005, 08:10 PM
well, gotta side with the tikka
The makeup of the gun will be the deciding factor, I am partial to a trigger that is crisp with little or no creep, after that you just gotta find the load that works best.
12-06-2005, 09:03 PM
It sure would be nice to be able to shoot all the various calibers and brands of guns to make a decision what is best. I can only add to this post what I found from the new rifles I was able to shoot. They included Savage 300WSM, 2-Savage .223, Remmington 30-06 and Ruger .257. All three Savages shot very good out of the box. Neither the Remmy or the Ruger shot very well and 300 hundred rounds later and pounds of powder and lead and a scrapbook full of recipes, neither shoots as good as the Savages with the Ruger being the worst. Just my observations from the ones I have shot. Both the Remmy, and the Ruger had trigger work which helped alittle.--tr
12-06-2005, 09:56 PM
my ummmmm out of box 3006 ruger shoots very well with reloads useing 165gr nosler bt bullets. it also shoots supriseingly well with 150gr rem core lockt facotry loads. this rifle has suprised me. i knew from exsperince that it would more than likly shoot into the 1.5" range wuite easily i figured it would take alot of loading and tweaking to beat that. i was wrong
i guess ill admit now that its not completly stock. i stoned the trigger to about 3lbs and thats it. i did this before ever fireing it.
anyways my 2506 ruger 24" barrel shoots pretty good with facotry ammo, and stoned trigger aswell. barrel hasnt been floated or anything. with reloads i can print quite nice groups that pass my standerds.
my 220 ruger #1 vt shoots the best groups out of all my rifles. it does this with the #1 ones bad rapp fro being finicky and is completly box stock i havent touched the trigger or bedding not a thing. just been reloading.
i havent shot my 270win in awhile but if i remember right it was shooting minute of deer with all ammo fired. and thats how im gona leave it. its rem 700
12-06-2005, 10:47 PM
Out of the box is kind of a relative phrase garnered by the previous posts. Personally, I don't even bother taking a gun(with adjustable triggers) to the range without lightening up the trigger. Be it my Savage Accutrigger (1.5#), Rem 700s (2- 2 1/2#), Weatherby Vanguard (2 1/2) or M70 (2 1/2 - 2 3/4#).
My Ruger VT2 has the 2 stage trigger in it which is non- adjustable has shot well depending on bullets and loads. All in all, given the considerable amount of variables involved and I had 2 minutes to grab one of my guns and use a box of factory ammo that I picked up at Wally world to shoot coyote. The Savage would be my choice as the one that has the most tolerance to shoot almost any ammo well.
12-07-2005, 12:37 PM
Rem 700 Stainless (any model) Got the 700 SS in a 300 RUM and the first 3 groups were under an inch with handloads. I shot a nice Bull elk and buck with it last year.
Traded that Browing A-Bolt II Composite Stalker .338 after burning the barrel up in only 8 years of shooting on a Rem 700 LSS in a 7 RUM. In only 4 loads and I got one that shoots under a quarter inch (.206" group) and turned it into my new Long Range gun. (Match Bullets)
It shoots so good I just took a deer yesterday at a tad over 750 yards with it.
Check out my post in the 500 and Beyond if you don't agree. My gun will shoot right along with those custom guns (out to a point of course) but farther than most would need
12-08-2005, 09:23 AM
My last four Remingtons shot under and inch right out of the box with hand loads. Adjusted the triggers and 2 out of 4 shoot 1 ragged hole now that's my .300 RUM and 22-250. My .338 RUM is close and so was the 7mm RUM but tradded that for another Remington 700 to start my .264 Win Mag project. The rifle I traded for was a .300 Win Mag that shoots 1 hole groups and its a model 700 classic right out of the box. Had 1 Weatherby Vanguard and 1 model 70 both of those were 1" shooters out of the box also. But my best shooters have been Remingtons out of the box.
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