O.K., Skeet....we've been down this road before.:rolleyes: Once again, your right and I'm wrong.....I should just discount whatever my eyes and other sense tell me, and everything I see and experience is a lie, and your never wrong.:mad:

Peace out.

Nope I am quite frequently wrong.. now.... do you have an inline??..have you shot pistol bullets in it??..has this blow up happened to you?? Do you know what they were shooting?? Not saying you are wrong..but I have never observed the problems you speak of personally and I do shoot those nasty ol pistol bullets in an inline at pretty high velocities. I have shot quite a few deer with them... HAVE YOU?? Personal observation at the time of the shot etc is usually the best. Not mad..Just speaking about MY personal observations while taking quite a few deer. I guess what I am saying is if you haven't had these things happen to you..then you know NOT of what you speak,. You see a deer with a blown up spot on it's side and ergo it was caused by a hunter shooting long range with an inline. Late season??...Heck it could've been shot by a guy with a 243 or whatever.. in rifle season. .. Sorry you got mad because I was pointing this out to you. I personally had a round ball hit the point of a deer's shoulder..never really penetrated..He didn't get away....It was my shooting not the roundball. How many deer have you seen wounded by archers?? Should we discontinue archery hunting for deer? I have seen quite a few and it ain't pretty.. I surely don't condemn the arrow..I condemn the P*ss poor archer..

Just want to point out..My 250 gr 45 cal bullet has more energy at 200 yds than the self same bullet out of the 45 LC handgun at the muzzle..and it won't penetrate or expand at those ranges? Are you saying that the same bullet out of a handgun is ok at close range and out of an inline it isn't?? I would say the worst scenario would be that pistol bullet at high velocity at really short range...and I've never had that problem myself..Myself!! Not a Joe Blow a month ago.somewhere in the woods.. Roll your eyes all you want..

figured as much skeet, but that's why I asked. I was leaning towards a 50 (always like the 50 hawken) but been thinking about a 50 in a Kentucky rifle. I just had to ask about the 36 as I had read several reports and articles, I would have thought it was light, but knowing a 22lr CAN (didn't say should) take whitetail I wasn't certain. It stuns me how expensive traditional flinters are.

GoodOlBoy

Heck the price of everything stuns me most of the time. Had a chance to buy a six shooting 45 auto today for 550 and turned it down..2 reasons it was stainless and I don't really care for stainless and it had adjustable sights which are really not necessary for a carry gun..thirdly it is a duplicate of the Para-ordnance I alreay have...and it is a LOT prettier. GOB I'd stick with the Hawken style but that is my preference not yours.. Look on the Lyman site..they quite often have refurbs of their blackpowder guns.. Good buys and well made

where do you find the refurbs on their sight Skeet? I would not be opposed at ALL to a refurbed great plains flinter.

GoodOlBoy

GOB they are listed under specials at the top left hand of the Lyman site..they don't have a flinter right now. They do have a Great Plains percussion for under 400 For a 700 buck rifle that ain't bad.. And they are a nice rifle Equal to the T-C Hawken I think and still nothing wrong with a percussion gun.. Less problems in my opinion.. No flints to find..no need for 4F and two powder horns..no frizzen probs . But the flinters are fun..most of the time. I am not a traditionalist for certain

GOB, that lymans great plains is a heck of a steal. Its listed as refurbished because barrel or stock has blemishes and they couldn't sell it as new.

Just a word of warning to all.. I do not think any manufacturer recommends the use of Hodgdon Triple 7 in any traditional style muzzleloaders. Please correct this statement if you have documentation to the contrary. It is after all a type of Smokeless and runs to much higher pressures in normal use..Black and Pyrodex are both ok though.. Something that I remember being sent to me by Thompson Center right after 777 was introduced. And something that I do remember..Pyrodex pellets are harder to ignite so I always added about 5 grains of 3For 4F before loading them.. Well it worked for me in my T C Hawken...speaking of which..look in the Swap and Sell later today..I am going to put the ol smokepole up for sale I think.. Haven't shot it in quite a while. Just want to look it over and maybe take a picture or two..

Skeet what are you going to be asking for that Hawkins?

GoodOlBoy

Well I think 275 is a fair price..and that includes one of the muzzleloader kits with short starter powder measure patches nipple wrench spare nipple and Round Ball mould..all in the kit is new..except there is no handle for the mould( I musta used it in the past) but I am certain I have a mould handle here that will fit.. If we were close I'd even give ya some Pyrodex..but I ain't goin to Texas anytine soon...Less'n I buy Momma a new car offa ebay

What caliber is it? I am very interested, IF I can get my wife interested.

GoodOlBoy

50 of course. I'll try to get a few pics taken today.. It is in good condition..hunted with but not beat up..

skeet,

My hunting muzzleloaders are .50 and .54 since I prefer to use roundball for deer. When I take the .45 flinter out, she is stoked with 245 grain Maxis because I feel .45 RB is a bit light for deer.

Adam

Sounds like a winner to me.

GoodOlBoy