Razmuz said, "I don't care where you hunt or what you hunt magnums calibers are not needed. If you just use common sense you will figure out that about 50% of hunting stuff is not necessary."

I have to partially disagree with you. There's only been one time a magnum might have been better, IE, easier to make the shot at a long range deer, but I did make the shot with a .308.

However, the area where I hunt elk, a .300 Win. Mag. can come in mighty handy. In the area I prefer to hunt, mostly because I know it like the back of my hand, once the shooting starts on opening day, the elk head out into the middle of these humongous meadows where they can see a hunter coming from a very long way off. One of these meadows is at least two miles across and over five miles long. You definitely need something that will reach out and touch that elk. The good old 30-06 just won't cut it. I shoot a .300 Win. mag. with a 200 gr. Speer Hot-core laoded to a very hot 2950 FPS and I can hit the ram silhouettes fairly consistantly out there at 500 meters with that load from a decent sitting postion. The cow elk that I shot was laser measured at 530 yards, and I was behind the very last bit of cover available. The bullet hit about four inches below the spine, going through the top of the heart lung area and came out the other side with about a three inch exit wound. The cow elk was an immediate bang/flop. I probably could have made the shot with an 06, but it was a heck of a lot easier with the .300.

As far as the rest of your comments, I'll go along with you on them.
Paul B.

also id like us to define magnum.

maybe even magnum performance, maybe even magnum calibers.

how bout magnum leupold.

how bout 3006remmag. it very well could have ben but the big M word wasnt tacked to its name at birth..

maybe the 300win never got listed as mag.

i consider all these standerd power calibers
243
6mm
308
2506
7mm08
300win
3006
270win
270wsm
300wsm

to me in mind anyways all these are standerd calibers and the magnum list starts somewhere else. though im not exackly sure where thats at because i dont even know about all the calibers out there.

i do know the 300win and wsm maybe the largets standerd calibers i ever end up with.

Evan

Evan, thats ignorant. Not stupid, but ignorant.

300 Win Mag is a belted, full blown magnum cartridge. You can classify a 50BMG as a standard caliber if you wish, but that doesnt mean its the truth, outside your world.

Sorry, but I had to say something.....

Andy

ignorance is bliss.

regardless of what the 300win phisicaly is i dont care. it doesnt fit in my big magnum boomer stay away from caliber list. im sure theres a few more magnums that i can shoot and wont blink my eyes at but the biguns are just plain magnums true to the name.

i may have worded this one alittle wrong ohhwell. i was trying to prove a point and thats very hard to do in this company. almost not worth trying most times. atleast i tried.

so if ignorance is bliss then im just fine and so are so many others.

Evan



my world is the same as yours its just how i view it thats difrent. i tend to like the view ive got from here.

somehow somewhere in the magnum caliber realm of things our views blend together and i see the 50bmg the same as you. but i bet that view is closer way down on the caliber list than we might think.

knowing what i know im pretty sure thats true. i know thats true because we both shoot certain calibers because they are not magnums

Ya know, Evan might be onto something.....
Myself, I like magnums: I shoot a 222 Remington Magnum quite often. You think it's not a magnum? It says "Magnum" right on the barrel, and on every box of ammo.
So, it must be a magnum- belt or no belt.;)