Let me tell you that in my years of working the streets and chasing tail lights I have worked with some utter "train wrecks" for cops and when the time came to put a stop to some of their BS I didn't hesitate for a second on going up the chain.

I re-read Billys reply several times. Where does it say that he got out of his vehical?
Im not going to question who you are. I realy dont care. Ive known Billy for awhile. I think he knows what concealed means.


Good for you, I wouldnt doubt that you have great gunhandling skills. It doesnt make you the expert on the capability of every LEO.
When I was qualifying for my Florida G-license (armed security), there was several LEOs qualifying with my class. A few LEOs had a hard time even at 7-15y. It was a real eye opener for me. Me being a measly civilian, has had over 22yrs of firearms experience( I shot a 289). I guess a few months of training makes these guys far more qualified to handle a firearm than myself:rolleyes: . Elitist atitudes like "us against them", is why I plan on staying in the private end.


P.S. 8x56ms,
Are you sure your not Irish?:D

ccw
 

here in texas a place can put a sign on the door that no guns are allowed and the ccw does not allow you to carry inside.that sign only pertains to ccw people.
where did i mention anything about being an expert?did you just make that up?ccw does not qualify here with guards.it is more than just shooting.you go thru classroom work and then shoot.i would not shoot with a guard.how long was your background investigation.here it can take up to a year.just because you can shoot good does not make you quailfied to carry.that sounds just like a guard attitude.i find it extremely suspicious that you had rather make a great deal of money less.i would be willing to bet that something in your background keeps you from being qualified.stay private if that is all you are qualified to be.
we shoot not just at targets but cituational shooting.shoot dont shoot.we simulate things and shoot under those situations. don't give me the crap that guards do that.if a officer here does not qualify he can not carry his or her weapon.shooting at distances helps you get used to shooting at those distances.most gun battles with a officer takes place at about 3 yards.the state here will not allow you to carry your weapon unless you can quailfy with it. in some cases the depts will make the officer go back thru schooling.if he then does not qualify he is terminatedmy dept was very slow to go to semi's.not sure why.they now issue glocks.women have a hard time with them stove piping.it is due to having a limp wrist.women also have a great deal of problems loading the magazines.the spring is too rigid.
here you shoot to a score of 100.you have to shoot at least 70 to quaify. that is not very goodwe had several that were sent home and could not carry,they were women and older men such as a bailiff.
while both leo and guards try to uphold the law,there is no way in hell you can compare the two.if you tell the truth then something is keeping you from quaifying to be a leo.
ccw carrying allows you to carry,common sense can not be taught in a classroom.jujst because you are allowed to do things does not mean it should be done.here we have had very few probs with ccw people. we have a few in prison.again i have to stress common sense. the attitude of i can carry anytime and any place i want is a wreck waiting to happen.use common sense.
we were trained by a fbi agent by the name of bob butler.i always wanted to shoot for the dept.i never was good enough.our bestshooter was a little female.she was tuff.to get a dept expert pin you have to shoot at least 90 for 5 years. i shot 90 or above for 25 years.i ahve a office buddy in michigan that used to be a cop in florida.he does not like forums but i will try to get him in here.i will let him talk about florida things.he comes down every year and we go hog hunting

Oh, I see now. You are the only one allowed to assume. So, how does it feel when it is turned around on you?

Its not realy worth talking to a person who assumes facts. Pluse, How can I comunicate with a person who cant even write?




I feel the same about your retirement.

ccw
 

my typing is very poor.i have lost a great deal of my eyesight to a eye disease.i have never talked about assuming anything.i do not feel anything is turned on me.i put up with idiots for 25 years and survived.you try typing looking thru a magnify glass with one hand.
check your own spelling of the word"plus".you mispelled a very simple word.i now see what you were referring to about communication and writing.must be tuff for you

Here we have an example of my reason for starting this thread. I was browsing through and surprised at the activity in this old post. Papi is obviously an example of a now retired law officer who has a problem with armed citizens. Some other current and former officers who have posted do not have this bias. It is an interesting collection of viewpoints.

jl1966,

You posted a good thread. I would like to post an interesting event in 1995 in Boston where I encountered 2 young Boston cops, one white and one black, in downtown about 5:00 p.m. on a July afternoon at the bus stop by South Station. My suit coat was not buttoned and there was a slight breeze, apparently my jacket parted enough for the cop to see my holster. I was waiting for my bus home when the black cop said something to the white cop (both were about 25 years old). Both looked at me and both put their hands on their handguns and unsnapped the thumb breaks on their holsters. but did not draw. The black cop came up to me, on my weak side, and asked, "Are you a law enforcement officer? I see you have a handgun on your right hip." I told him I was a federal agent and told him my credential was in my left inside coat pocket. He took it out, looked at it, and handed it back to me. I then advised them that the question about being a LEO obviously excluded properly CCW licensed citizens. His response was, "Yes, that is correct." I asked him why that was "correct" and he advised that he only considered a fellow LEO to be a "Proper Person" to carry a gun.

Yes, far too many new LEOs on the street have a definite "them versus us" attitude about civillian CCW carry. I suggest you be cool and compliant until the newly hired LEO settles down. Personally, I have never been concerned with guns in honest hands, it was the less than 1% of guns in criminal hands that gave me full employment, and none of them qualified for a CCW.

Adam

ccw
 

the 2 officers you referred to did the propper thing.you are trained to ask if you are leo first.i think you want to be politically correct so bad you are making things up.the story sounds contrived at best.as a officer of any kind you would have no reason to even ask about ccw.this is the bad thing that ruins forums.people start making things up

papi,

I am not "making things up" as you state. As an Inspector and a citizen with a CCW in two states, I merely wanted to find out the officers' perceptual set and I learned it! As an officer and citizen, I HAD every reason to inquire about CCW or any other subject. Why would you say I "had no reason" to ask a cop about a CCW citizen? What would you deem to be "proper questions" asked of a cop? Where does your "correct" view of proper questions begin and end? Why do you say you were trained to ask, "Are you a LEO, FIRST?" Why is a LEO deemed superior to a properly licensed CCW Citizen? You really are a "Them versus Us" guy, aren't you? Who do the cops work FOR??? Cops are servants and not superiors to citizens, do you understand that?

Personally, I do not care if you believe my prior post. I know it happened and IF you have any evidence it is "contrived" kindly state your case. Maybe you need to "chill out." Please give chilling a chance before you post again; maybe guys like you "ruin forums". Be well.

Adam

ccw
 

you are always trying to toot your own horn. you always have a politically correct story for everything.maybe you should chill and try the truth for a while.the first thing a officer is trained to do is ask if they are a officer.as the officer being questioned you would have no reason at all to ask about a ccw.yep!! contrived at best

papi,

As an officer, I could ask the inquiring cop about the weather, the location of the nearest cat house, or the daily number. Why would I need to have "a Reason" for any question I chose to ask? Isn't this still America?

My post is "Contrived" you say. Well, I think you have lost your limited credability long ago on this Forum. Who believes you? I will not respond to you in future; I do not need to drop down to your level. Be well.

Adam

ccw
 

the question is why would the subject even come up between officers.you stated you were a officer.i still thinks its contrived because you like to be politically correct.you know i am right so all you have left is to attack me. it matters not because i know bs when i see it

I'm jumping in here.

I've followed this thread, but have not posted in order to stay objective and uninvolved.

The thread has degenerated into name-calling. We do not permit that here at HuntChat.

I'm closing the thread and posting a warning to all of you - if I find any poster continuing or returning to beligerance, that person will be asked to leave the board.