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Jack 09-04-2008 04:12 PM

"Dumbocrats keep saying vote Republican and more years of the same ...no change..but.......how many years now has the Democrats been the majority?"
Republicans were the majority party in both the Senate and the House from 2000 to 2006.
From 2006 to the present, the Democratic party has held a majority in the House and Senate. Their majority in the Senate is 51-49, and by Senate rules, the minority party can block any bill from coming up that has less than 60 votes. In other words, the Democrats haven't been able to pass anything through the Senate that the Republicans don't approve of.

rattus58 09-04-2008 04:14 PM

Exactly right... Democrats have the proud leadership of the lowest approval rated congress EVER... my goodness... when George Bush has triple their approval we should be begging for four more years.... :)

McCain / Palin Aint George Bush... and you know what... I'm ready for a mid-town mom to run our "household" in 8 years coming or 12 years coming... but right now she validates McCain, and if she likes him so do I... I ain't about to argue with such a pretty pair of lips... no sir.... :D :D :D :D

Aloha... :cool:

skeeter@ccia.com 09-04-2008 09:16 PM

I will say this..only got to listen to her once and that was the other night....impressed so far...and has my vote...and...in my opinion...she puts Hillary who spent a lifetime in politics to shame..Just maybe we need someone like her in there...No not Hillary.

Tater 09-04-2008 10:11 PM

Billy
 
As near as I can tell, the only "gun control" issues he has have to do with mandatory gun locks included with firearms and background checks. Other than that he seems to be fully in support of firearms owners. I don't have a problem with gun locks; if they don't come with the weapon I buy my own. Background checks: I have nothing to hide so I'm not worried about that either. The background checks I go through periodically for the military are much worse than the check when I buy a new firearm. If I'm missing something please let me know because I want to be as informed as possible when it comes time to vote. I'll still vote for McCain/Palin but I definitely want know what I'm getting into.

rattus58 09-04-2008 10:29 PM

Well I can tell you this, Barack Obama has publicly stated in interviews with John Lott, that Americans don't need guns and that he'd like to see every home free of guns. Not assault weapons, not pistols, not mandatory background checks.... NO GUNS.

That is what you are getting into... someone who supports your rights, where Obama would take them away. And you know once they start, its like feeding a dog red meat.... :)

Aloha... Tom :cool:

BILLY D. 09-05-2008 12:40 AM

Tater

I was referring to Giulianis stance on guns. From what I read about him he was not gun friendly when he was mayor of NYC.

As far as McCain is concerned his viewpoint won't make a whole lot of difference as President. He could veto something but he wouldn't be casting a vote one way or the other.

Sarah Palin is another story, She could be called upon if there is a tie vote on a Bill.

Best wishes, Bill

P.S. Talk about being tough to get a Security clearance you should have been me.

I was the first of my family to be born in the U.S.A. There was some relatives here to sponsor my Mom and Dad who had gained citizenship.

Other than that nada. I had to get a TS when I was in Germany because I was the 36TFW Explosive Safety Technician along with being the Nuclear Safety Tech.

I was responsible for Detachments in Belgium, The Netherlands, Turkey and Italy also. Plus my home base was a Wing of F-4E's.

I sweated Blood and Bullets till that clearance got back. I already had 17 years in the military at that time so that helped and had a previous Secret Clearance.

Nulle 09-05-2008 07:22 AM

Well I am done with anything and anybody connected with Bush and that goes for Dem. and Rep. It costs me more to drive to work then I make and heating bills will be out of this world this winter.
I liked the old man but this kid is a wreck ! Both sides can blow all the smoke up our butts about health reform and energy and when they get it its the same old junk.
I may just stay home this election and ***** lol

Tater 09-05-2008 07:29 AM

Sorry Billy...
 
I had McCain on the brain when I did my search.

rattus58 09-05-2008 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nulle
Well I am done with anything and anybody connected with Bush and that goes for Dem. and Rep. It costs me more to drive to work then I make and heating bills will be out of this world this winter.
I liked the old man but this kid is a wreck ! Both sides can blow all the smoke up our butts about health reform and energy and when they get it its the same old junk.
I may just stay home this election and ***** lol

Well if you stay home, you aren't doing anything to solve the problems. If you will remember, its been the Democrats in Power for the last two years in Washington and its while they have been in power that gas prices doubled. Its been while THEY have been in power that food, cereals and milk prices have doubled.

Nulle 09-05-2008 01:37 PM

It is not just the Dems. its the whole darn works. I realize this is a Republican site and party line is Not what I am talking about. I have never voted a straight ticket in my life and to do so is foolish in my book.
I don't think I would vote for ANY of the incumbants in the House or Senate right now and I could care less what party they are.
I also don't care if the lady can ride a Harley, kill moose with a stick or any of her family problems. I will be looking at what each one of them is going to do about health care, energy issues and the things that effect me.

GoodOlBoy 09-05-2008 02:27 PM

Give em heck Nulle!

I agree. I have never and will never vote straight ticket.

I like Palin, I like McCain.

SO there bleh :p

GoodOlBoy

rattus58 09-05-2008 02:49 PM

What do YOU want out of Health Care Nulle? I pay over $8,400 a year for me and my wife right now and what Obama is proposing scares teh **** out of me... his givaway healthcare is going to cost me a fortune, and is going to cost you the service you think you want. Government can't run anything.

Gas? That is a Democratic problem... they've in control and outof control for the last two years and you want to sit this one out? You sit it out Nulle and you've no basis for complaint... as for being a republican site... don't know how you came to that conclusion, but most of us want to retain our freedoms, and republicans push our freedoms in the outdoors... does that make this place a republican site... no it doesn't it makes us all wanting to remain able to hunt, fish and shoot into the future for our great grand-kids...

Aloha... :cool:

Nulle 09-05-2008 05:12 PM

I guess you may say I am an independant seeing as I do not vote a straight ticket.
OK I will vote
I want a health care I can AFFORD = and you ?
Guess I didn't say who I liked for President = maybe neither
The posts stand for themself on the site poll.
Find another sparing partner rattus I am done in this political arena. lol

Jack 09-05-2008 08:10 PM

I think most people on here have long ago drunk the Kool Aid, of whatever flavor.
I think these discussions provide a lot of heat, but very little light.
The name of this bulletin board is HuntChat, is it not? Or is it politics chat?

BILLY D. 09-05-2008 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jack
I think most people on here have long ago drunk the Kool Aid, of whatever flavor.
I think these discussions provide a lot of heat, but very little light.
The name of this bulletin board is HuntChat, is it not? Or is it politics chat?

The name of the board truly is Hunt Chat, But the topic is Almost Anything Goes.

Could be Ice Skating, Hunting, or Intermediate Underwater Basket Weaving.

The topics surely wont shed any light if they are not allowed to be discussed.

I hadn't realized I had moved to Stalin era Russia. After spending 27 years of my life defending my country I feel I have a right to say what I want as long as it is cogent with and not speaking against my country.

Now if things get down to the "your mother wears gym shoes" rhetoric, even I draw the line.

Best wishes, Bill

Tater 09-05-2008 09:16 PM

Quote:

Now if things get down to the "your mother wears gym shoes" rhetoric, even I draw the line.
Draw the line CRAP. I'm goin huntin. I think we're all mature enough to discuss this stuff here

wrenchman 09-05-2008 09:55 PM

I am like nulle I Tend to vote dem in a lot of my locals dingal is strong nra and for labor and inviroment.
I have voted rep for pres sense Regan I have yet to see a dem for pres i like.
I happen to feal both sides pull there candidates out of a hat.
It seams to be like i am voteing for the less of the two evils.
I have never been to happy with G.W. and voted for him both times.
Regan was the first press i voted for the rest seam rather shallow to me but i was a kid then.
p.s. my mother does were gym shoes

skeet 09-05-2008 10:26 PM

I'm not like Nulle
 
Or anybody else I guess. I am a kinda strict libertarian. To be really honest I'd like to have a viable candidate other than the two running. Since I don't, I'll hold my nose a bit and vote for McCain. No way I can vote for a man that depises his own country...as does his wife If you all want affordable health care..let me ask a question. When has the government EVER done something (other than govern) better than the private sector? Never you say?? If you say that you are correct. Check out health care in ...say Canada. Better?? Don't think so! What we need to do is get government out of all the health issue. So many regulations to make thiings "better" for us just makes for more expensive more restrictive health care for us. Regulation in health issues works the same way as regulation in guns. More paper work more costs and more government intervention. All the regulations required by OUR government is stifling the doctors in their offices as is all the medical litigation. Sheesh. if a doctor wants to deliver babies anymore they BETTER have lots of insurance....and a whole bunch of people working in their office. Makes costs rise..precipitously. Not blaming lawyers per se..but people just have to blame someone other than themselves for the unfortunate things that happen. Yep...doctors screw up but don't we all?? Don't politicians??..oh sorry..most of them are lawyers:D :D

rattus58 09-06-2008 04:28 AM

The Obama Healthcare Plan
 
Managed by the Government, they say they'll give you care
But really what'll happen is your butts exposed and bare
They say they'll give you healtcare, but stand in line and wait
They talk a pretty story, and hope you'll take the bait

DogYeller 09-06-2008 05:53 AM

If you're not sure who to vote for take this test.
http://www.barackobamatest.com/

rattus58 09-06-2008 07:05 AM

Now that's interesting.... this might come off better than expected... :)

rattus58 09-06-2008 11:32 AM

Managed by the Government, they say they'll give you care
But really what'll happen is your butt's exposed and bare
They say they'll give you healtcare, but stand in line and wait
They talk a pretty story, and hope you'll take the bait

Now all you dirty fellas, would love to see her bare
Seductively bent over, that leather kitchen chair
But that picture of the Gov, is anohter photo fake
She's really got us pumped, and she's surely not a flake

Obama's got a plan to reduce your spending income
He'll also find to tax, investment, death, and then some
Should babies get some help, should the abortion they survive
Is it straight into the trash can, or should we try to keep them live

Now Sarah has a vision, when it comes to childrens futures
McCains daughter has a smile, after thousands of them sutures
See, every life is precious, and deserves a rightful chance
John and Sarah's vision is that everyone gets to dance

skeet 09-06-2008 06:00 PM

You know...
 
I looked at that questionnaire..It is like most slanted questionnaires. Didin't have my answer on many things..especially abortion. They ask questions that are so slanted you can't answer them the way ya want. But I'll get into it here. Just my take on things..I feel that the government shouldn't have any say on abortions or the right to or the wrong things about abortion. It ain't the government's business..nor yours if it ain't your family. If'n it is your 14 yr old daughter..damn right the doctor should call your sorry butt before it is done. Just common sense. I also feel that the government shouldn't have any say on religious freedoms. I also feel the ACLU should shut up about it and go away. The government should have so little say in the medical field that the price would drop big time..if they just left it alone. I also feel short of having a Bradley tank I should be able to have any firearm I so choose..long as I am a law abiding citizen..yep..even a machine gun.(the average guy would find out they be way to spensive to shoot anyway.) I feel that the government should leave us alone and only deal with the necessary things that governments should deal with..That ain't abortions guns medical plans er any other things that affect our PERSONAL lives. And another thing that the government should NOT do is try to legislate morality. Government should only be heard from if'n we gotta fight or help another country in the world. JMO...and with that I'm gonna leave this thread...cause I ain't changin my mind and I doubt if I'm a gonna change yours!! So I ain't arguing:D :D

rattus58 09-06-2008 09:04 PM

Skeet... :)

You KNOW it's a slanted questionaire but what does that matter if the representations are accurate? They are hitting hot button issues between the campaigns.

As for abortion... Let me ask you something... Where in the constitution does the right to choose have anything to do with the Federal Government? I mean this in a strict sense, not how the Supreme Court twisted it with an activist group of justices.

This is how the Feds wind up getting into our business. This is a States rights issue and these kinds of decisions are what led to these decisions on Gay Marriage and a host of others. Our country needs to run on the original platform, not some meandering live document that some states rights issue is challenged by some yoyo and throws it into Federal Court because as a minority they feel that their feelings are hurt the majority don't wanna do it their way.

Abortion and Gay Rights, and a host of other issues are not Civil Rights Issues, they are State's rights issues.

Back to abortion. This country gave you inalienable rights. THAT IS IN THE CONSTITUTION. No one has the right to take that away from you. Now abortion.. you give the Federal Government too much power, they will change your life in ways you can't imagine. You'll have food police, speech police, thought police (public radio), you'll have them re-educating your children... http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArti...05420655186700 Now I don't know how credible investors daily news is, but they are promoting things that are fairly easy to check out... as are Obamas two books.

Back to abortion... This should be a states rights issue rather than a federal one especially on an issue of inalienable rights... you are giving any woman the right to choose... when does conception start? For most of us, I think, life starts with conception... when there is that cateclysmic collision of chromosomes that sets off a chain of events that marvels even the the events of a nuclear reaction and much more sophisticated...

I've been down the abortion path in my lifetime twice, and without getting into the details of these most unfortunate events, let me say I've been there done that and though I was not carrying the baby, there is a lot to beg forgiveness for.

I'm not advocating that we change our abortion laws, but if one was to move to change them I'd support it. It would make our country a much better place where people would have to live with consequences.

Aloha... :cool:

rattus58 09-06-2008 09:06 PM

In case you missed it in the above reply to Skeet....

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArti...05420655186700

Much Aloha.. :cool:

skeet 09-06-2008 10:47 PM

Can't believe I'm doing this
 
Quote:

Originally posted by rattus58
Skeet... :)

You KNOW it's a slanted questionaire but what does that matter if the representations are accurate? They are hitting hot button issues between the campaigns.

Do you like to answer a question when the answer doesn't fit your ideas? I don't



As for abortion... Let me ask you something... I mean this in a strict sense, not how the Supreme Court twisted it with an activist group of justices.

Being a man..how does the SC decision affect you??

This is how the Feds wind up getting into our business. This is a States rights issue and these kinds of decisions are what led to these decisions on Gay Marriage and a host of others.

Sorry to say this but that decision was reinforced in 1865. There really don't seem to be any State's Rights as the Constitution delineated them. Too Late now. Get a grip.


Abortion and Gay Rights, and a host of other issues are not Civil Rights Issues, they are State's rights issues.

Not any more...see above.

Back to abortion. This country gave you inalienable rights. THAT IS IN THE CONSTITUTION. No one has the right to take that away from you.

Then shut up about abortion. When you are able to have one I will support your decison..whichever way you decide.

Now abortion.. you give the Federal Government too much power, they will change your life in ways you can't imagine. You'll have food police, speech police, thought police (public radio), you'll have them re-educating your children...

We already have ALL of those things you mention. Doesn't change the way I think or do. In fact..the reasons I can not support Obama are contained in that statement. He wants more of the above.

[Back to abortion... This should be a states rights issue rather than a federal one especially on an issue of inalienable rights... you are giving any woman the right to choose... when does conception start? For most of us, I think, life starts with conception...


Well I guess for you that is your idea of life. Many others do not feel that way. To deny a woman the choice to do with her body what she deems necessary is not in your purview..You step on someone else's rights when you do..Something it seems you abhor(destroying someone else's right)


I've been down the abortion path in my lifetime twice,

Sorry you have been involved with that..seriously


I'm not advocating that we change our abortion laws, but if one was to move to change them I'd support it.

Yes you are.Your statement actually says that. You WOULD support it and seem to want to


It would make our country a much better place where people would have to live with consequences.

Sorry but I disagree with the above statement..That my friend is YOUR OPINION. Nothing other than that. If a woman chooses to have an abortion..she is the one who has to live with the consequences...not you. Are you going to deny her any rights? Point the finger?? Or what??

If you ask if I support abortion..My answer is I am a man. Hopefully I will never become pregnant..thank goodness..and I feel I have NO RIGHT telling any woman what she can or can't do with HER body. I really do not want to usurp HER rights as you seem to want to do. Personally I doubt if I could choose that way. Not dissing ya but you can't have it both ways as you seemed to believe in your above post.. And now my friend..I truly am done. As there is no way to win an argument..from either side. It is just too much of an emotional issue..and you know it. So let's leave the issues alone. YOU can not change someone else's mind, I fear. Especially with an argument!

Aloha... :cool:


rattus58 09-06-2008 11:14 PM

Hi Skeet... :)

No skeet,, you're playing now with yur own biases and trying to insert them upon me.... and I think you have to look back into the constitution some more.

As for my statement, I'm not trying to change the laws. What I said was if someone were to ask for change I'd support it. There is a huge difference mon.... and I believe that it is a states rights issue as most all of these are... that's basically it.

Aloha... Tom :cool:

rattus58 09-07-2008 12:32 PM

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8X56MS 09-07-2008 03:47 PM

I actually sent McCain a check. I swore I would never do that. I like Sarah, but she does not 'validate' McCain. He never was my choice, and if he had picked, say Tom Ridge or Lieberman, I would not have voted this cycle.

rattus58 09-07-2008 09:17 PM

She validates McCain to many people... they like her, and if she likes McCain.... "then alright den!" :D :D

In my opinion, that is a far stronger validation than just being a Democrat.

Aloha... Tom :cool:

Swift 09-07-2008 11:29 PM

Wonder when oprah is going to have her on? :D

BILLY D. 09-07-2008 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Swift
Wonder when oprah is going to have her on? :D
If invited and I were Sarah I'd tell Orca to go jump in the lake. Fact is I wouldn't go on any shows unless I hand picked them.

I know Sarah can handle herself, but I'd make them beg me, just for spite. Sarah knows those shows are just a set up to make her look bad.

So I would let them stew in their own juices.

Best wishes, Bill

Rocky Raab 09-12-2008 08:55 AM

Folks, I think we've beat the dirt out of this rug.

Upon request by the original poster, we'll close this thread.


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