Let me add an adendum here. I know many LEOs personally, and I hope I never have to attend another funeral for one I know. If I were a LEO and my job was going out in the world each day to face God knows what then I would want all the training I could get, I would want it from the best, and I would want to keep it up. I would spend time at the range at least once a month (Most LEOs I know only hit the range once a year to qualify and keep their only firearm locked in a locker at work). And rather than being arogant about my abilities I would WANT to find out where I was lacking and work on it.

Sadly that is not the way most LEOs I have ever met think. In point of fact most good old regular LEOs I have met sneer at the idea. Most SWAT LEOs I know think that way, but they are SWAT. You hafta be two thirds outa the norm to be SWAT anyway (and I don't mean that in a bad way)

GoodOlBoy

Oh I would agree Skeet. 99% of BGs are going to have to get lucky (unfortunantly some of them are VERY lucky) to get the drop on a LEO with any experience. That 1% is the bear to deal with though.

GoodOlBoy

Yeah ya do GOB..Swat guys are all half crazy to begin with..unless they are picked for it without volunteering. Some are in it that way. Sadly some are in it for the thrill of Victory..and never see the Agony of Defeat - right around the corner. Also sadly I know an awful lot of cops..and seriously... about a third do the job for the "thrill" of being in charge..they actually enjoy using their power. One knows he is better than the "public" he is entrusted to help protect. He is also on a regional Swat team..Luckily he is back in Maryland..not too far from Fab's area.. Very close in fact. :rolleyes:

LEOs that train only once a year are on a department with poor leadership or no leadership. Chiefs always whine about budgets and probably couldn't qualify themselves. Let me tell you one law suit wether won or lost would pay for a lot of training. Leaveing your firearm in your locker if you don't have another one, shows me the person should look for a new career. I served as a firearms training officer for the last `15 years of my career and was on the training comm. for all training. My wants in the Army and as a LEO were the same a qualified well trained person next to me when the crap hit the fan and thankfully it did on all occassions.

I did a lot of training myself. Always liked to have a person next to me I had trained..Knew what to expect out of 'em.. We weren't training against other people..fire and it's environs..Still pretty dangerous..

Sure agree with you Skeet, and fire is very dangerous. Always admired fire fighters, did some forest fire work when I was young, found out fire was not my calling. My dad was Ass't. Chief of our local VFD where I grew up, and they did a lot of training way back then.

Forest fires
 

Learned a long time ago that I didn't need to fight forest fires. Couple of guys from the dept were talked into it..One told me he thought he was gonna die fighting a fire somewhere in SD I think..he said the mountains there were a LOT different than the ones in Maryland.. I tried to tell 'em that before they signed up. He didn't think the fire was gonna get him either..it was the terrain and altitude..He lived at 90 ft altitude..What are the Black Hills?? Gummit tried to recruit me to train in Saudi Arabia too.. Tax free etc etc etc..Big bucks too. I actually knew better..especially when the gummit tries to recruit ya.. I have an acquaintance who is now training the troops in Afghanistan I think in urban police work..He was enticed by the dark side.... of too much money and no tax

It depends what you prefer
 

I have several 9mm handguns and do carry them from time to time. All the best...
Gil

Gil, do you have one you prefer over the other or not?

My Glock 26 is stuffed with 10rds Federal 9mm 115gr HP +P+ @1300fps. I'm not too worried about getting the job done.