holy crap 800 yard shots!!!! yall wouldn't impress me with kill shot id figure yah ain't a very good hunter not to be able to close the gap or just plain lazy:D
well i've honestly had a old .270 fail me twice that was enough for me to say it aint for cedar swamp hunting!!!! although it wasn't the bullets fault or mine and not really sure if even my .358 would have connected through the one stupid twig in the way!!! two times...now if i was watching a OPEN FIELD i wouldn't mind having a .270 win thats for sure!!!
800 yards hehe thats freekin wild glad i read this post!!!!good for giggles
OBA

Hi All,

Whoops I mis-typed it.................. yey the last option was supposed to say dumb:rolleyes: I did say delete as required:D

However I have to agree with greg..................on the 6.5x55mm it's an awesome cartridge and one I have used a lot:p

As for distance shooting, hmmm seems I don't get the chance just now, the longest shot I have taken Deer with since last Feburary when I shot a Muntjac Doe at about 130 yards is about 65 yards. The last one a Roe Doe when I first saw her she was all of 15 paces away, me of course was loking the wrong way trying to spot some Fallow about 300 yards away when she came in behind me:rolleyes: I shot he at about 50-65 yards when she trotted up the hedge line and then stopped to look back.

I have a friend who is now obsessed with the idea of shooting a Der at 500 yards, he has done the close up stuff and has built a rifle which is capable of shooting 4 1/2" groups at 600 yards from prone. He shoots a lot of 600 yard High power matches, but yet again this past Whitetail season he got nearly all close up shots:D in fact he sat under a tree from first light watching a Deer crossing and about 11 AM he decided it was time for a coffe break, he suddenly noticed a patch of Brown/White and when he put the binos on it noticed a Doe looking at him bedded down:rolleyes: so he put the coffee on hold and shot he at about 50 yards centre of the neck as she lay in her bed.

Later that week whilst sitting under a tree before first light he had a young Doe feed up to him until it was only 8 feet away, so much for long range shooting:D

Not only that, its the perfect benchrest gun. If it had just a little more poop it'd be the perfence 1000 yd rifle.:rolleyes:

Just had a good day to day. Was doing final sighting getting ready for the Christmas elk hunt.

Was coaching the son on how to shoot the 270. He needs some more shooting time. All groups (3-shot) were well under the inch. Of course my were even smaller.:) Then he put a 0.125" one together. It was great to watch the his stress then relief what that 3rd on went "in there"

Hey, a bind hog stumbles onto an acern once in awhile.

Enjoyed the thread. Give another year os so and it'll be back.

OBA,

I have only had a very long shot (i.e., over 400 yards) presented to me once in the time I have been hunting for deer. That day, I had 8 does pass by me on the run, they stopped at 150 yards to look back at me while I was trying to get a bead on them. I happened to be hunting on the ground that day about 3 years ago. I killed two at 150 yards before they entered the brush. They popped back out somewhere between 200 and 300 yards away and I killed another. After that, they ran through an alfalfa field and stopped a ways away. I had the time to set up the rifle, but didn't have a range finder on me and couldn't tell what the distance was so I didn't take the shot. I seriously doubt I could have closed the distance on those deer with them looking right back at me. If I had it to do over again today, I still doubt I would have taken the 800 yard shot that day even with a range finder unless I had a drop chart on me too and a really steady rest.

Further, the land I hunt around here isn't a vast ranch where you can wait for the right moment to stalk game or use different terrain to stalk them and take different approaches. Yes, I have seen the stalks that are done on these hunting shows and there is no way that I would have the opportunity to do that. The largest farm I hunt is 300 acres, it is on the side of a mountain, and it is rather narrow. By the time I stalked to within your reasonable range, the deer would most likely have moved off the farm or seen me coming down the mountain. I don't have the luxury of waiting the game out and seeing what they will do. I looks at some of these hunting shows in complete disbelief and wonder how these guys would fair hunting on small parcels of property. I am also astounded by the number of big bucks I see on these farms that are just eating right next to one another. I have never seen that during any of my hunting. In fact, I have yet to see two bucks in the same group of deer.

isnt it cool when we can argue about what caliber is best to kill a deer..

im with rocky on this one and consider everthing above 243 to kill deer with plenty authority.

hmmmmmmm but what have i killed deer and elk with. i may have had alot of calibers. have alittle varity now but there is one caliber that has done it all for me its taken 5-7 deer, cant remember for sure how many. ranges have been 20yds to 300 plus. and its also taken one bull elk.

it just so happens that this is a 270win. the rifle hasnt done me wrong. it was my first rifle and by all rights should have been my last, except for i somehow grew this infactuation to give dang near everything on the list a try.

ive had a few 3006's but they have been parted from me for awhile now.

at the present moment my main hunting rigs are my 25.06 the 25.06 is the never get rid of rifle. im kinda scared of recoil so i realy like the 25. its also so dang acurate to exstended ranges that itl be with me forever.

the other rifle thats set up is my winchester featherweight. this is chamberd in 270wsm .277 i wonder why picked the 270wsm over all the new short mag calibers out there.

i also just picked up 300win, ive been wanting one for awhile now and i ran into this rifle. the possiblities for this rifle are endless. the rifles i hunt with tend to get used as varmit rifles alot dureing the off season. this rifle shouldnt be any exsception. if it fairs well on coyotes and rock chucks itl be going deer and elk hunting with me come bigame season. it also may go on a moose hunt later on. but it surely want replace my smaller calibers. and chances are it will be used strickly as my elk rig.

so all in all i kinda like everything out there thats 300win and smaller. 300win is biggest baddest magnum caliber ill ever own.

the 277 calibers will more than likly continue to be the staples of my deer rifle line up.


fabsroman

i couldnt imagine what it would be like to take more than one deer in season. my guess is alot more work in our country. you can dang near take in season what we can in life time. thats cool


Evan

fabsroman
i'll say great shooting!!!
were i hunt im lucky to see one doe in a day (thanks in part to our insurance co's pushing for liberal doe harvests) and i guess some hard winters or wolves!?!?! but there's always that chance to see a bigboy
down in the dark cedar..
OBA

you wanna know what i think.?????????? sure you do.

see all this productive argueing wee have going ????? i realy do think it is productive though it wont get anywhere or lead to anything.



what i think?????

we should have forumn for only this conversation. it would more than likly get alot of attention and cover alot of ground in an imformative way.


call it

06 calibers vs the rest.

the 06 calibers are anything that started life with the 30.06 case. this could be the 3 common 25.06 270, 3006. or they could be wildcats. 338/06 35whelen. 6mm/06 6.5/06.

with a list of 06 calibers like this theres nothing that cant be done. why not have a forumn with only this kind of information.

i know i dont realy see this happening but if you think about the froumn wouldnt be a bad one in any regards.. it would alot times have guys argueing there point for the 06 calibers side and even sometimes some of use would be adviseing agaisnt it to 300win or something of the sort.

the froumn realy couldnt go wrong and would inform people alot more on the calibers than they are.

Evan

Evan,
You forgot probably the best performer of the 06's. The 280. Check it out, very impressive. Its the only one I saw while researching on this thread that approaches the 300 Win.

Im gettin old and tired of that kickin mag, even though its been the ultimate best performer for the last 20 years, more or less, and killed more deer than a freight train can haul, with very few taking more than a step or two. I think a .280 is going to be in my safe very soon. Probably in an Encore but possibly in a Mountain Rifle.

Check for yourself. Pretty awesome.

Andy

Andy

i was saveing the best for last. dont know how i didnt think to think of the 280.

there are 4 common 06 calibers not 3

with my current caliber list i cant realy see a 280 being added any time soon, but that doesnt me i wont run into one i just have to have.


Evan

OBA,

I killed 12 deer total last year and ended up killing 8 deer in a single day. I saw so many deer and passed on quite a few too. The deer population here is quite insane. What is funny is that 10 years ago I would have been lucky to see a deer. Now, I see a deer almost every time I go out hunting for them. I only went deer hunting once this year and saw 4 antlerless deer, 2 of which I killed at over 200 yards.

Next year, I think I am really going to hit the deer hard so that I can actually fill up the freezer and cut down on our grocery bill.

As far as insurance companies are concerned, they are pushing to have all the deer killed in this state and in 2 out of 4 of the regions there is no limit on the number of antlerless deer that can be killed. Quite honestly, they would have to really extend the season in those areas for there to be any significant impact on the deer population.

that realy is lifetime of hunting to alot of people.

glad you have the opurtunity

Wish I could be that fortunate. No doubt I'd have a .270win in my hands whenever I'm pulling the trigger on a big buck...or doe...anywhere.

...I tend to agree with Rocky Raab....while there are no guaranteed kills in a "fair chase" situation, the increased possibility of a wounded animal is, I feel, somewhat proportional to distance to the animal.

model70

ive been negleting my 270win over the last few years. i guess that happend when i got my 25.06.

ive been thinkn about setn the 270 up as my light weight pack anywhere anytime rifle. im thinkn a lower power leo with a 32 objective or smaller in a light stock. that set up would be the opisite of every other rifle i have, all the others are right over 8lbs unscoped. the wsm is 7.5 but thats kinda how i like them.

i figure if i get the 270 at 7.5 scoped id be happy and have something that packs easy and still can take game at 200 plus as easy as the rest.

.270 yada...yada...yada
 

Read back a little farther guys...when Jack O'Conner built a rifle for his wife, Eleanor, he chose a 6 MM, in Jacks words "...a fine long range, thin skinned big game cartridge".

I grew up reading Jack O'Conner, I love his hunting stories, his writing style, his life style, the Model 70 Winchester in .270 Win. and hunting White Tail deer.

I also love blondes, but an occasional, discreet redhead does hold a lot of intrigue!!!

"I also love blondes, but an occasional, discreet redhead does hold a lot of intrigue!!!"



:D

Re: .270 yada...yada...yada
 

Yes, a fine cartridge indeed but not as PERFECT as the .270:D

800 yd Deer shot?
 

I really dont care what rifle your packing, But shooting a deer at 800 yds!, you better check the charts for ft lbs of energy left in whatever weight bullet you are shooting and hope there is no wind drift let alone speculating bullet drop for a hold over shot . What I am basically saying is dont push your luck and get closer to the animal to make a clean kill period!!!! Dont Take Chances even if you are an expert rifleman!:)

.270 perfect?
 

The .270 is a great round for deer, thats proven, is it the perfect round? Well, how do you describe "perfect" does/can it kill a deer at close range? at long range?(reasonable range, not a made up 800 yard senerio, thats unrealistic for a lot of shooters) Is it close to a 30.06 or .300 ballistically? Yes to all the above

Bottom line is, there is no "perfect" round for all situations.....It really all depends on how well you shoot, and who is doing the shooting. A 10 year old or your wife/girlfriend shooting a .300 would probrably not call the .300 a perfect round, on the other hand if they shot a .243 or .270 it might be more to their liking.....The "perfect" caliber is the one you shoot the best with, and the one that is most comfortable to shoot, and still capable of killing a good size deer at close to moderate ranges, without destroying the deer, leave the "800 yard" shots to the experts...... and .243, 25.06, .270, and 30.06 fit all these bills perfectly.......I can't see any reason to use anything bigger than the above, unless you are hunting large game, Elk Moose...........the .270 would work and the 30.06 is more than enough, but at long range or larger game than the .300 or .325WSM(my fav) or larger might be the perfect round.......except for some dangerous game......But if you look at the history, track record, sales, popularity, chamberings, versatility, bullet weights, ...etc, for any caliber, then the 30.06 would be the perfect cartridge hands down....

finaly added a 3 point buck to my 2506 list of kills.

one shot at about 200ish maybe alittle less maybe alittle more. thank goodness for flat shooting. one shot dropped the buck to his knees right where he was standing. recoverd the 100gr nosler balistick tipp in an almost picture perfect mushroom just inside the hide on the far side.

i plan to take more deer with this combo. i also plan to try the 85gr 6mm hunting bullets in whatever 6mm i end up.

personaly i wasnt going to type another reply in this topick but i figured what the heck ive been exscited about the 2506's perfromance and wanted to talk it up just alittle more.

id also like to say that if you ask me what the perfect deer calibers is id tell you that i realy have no clue. just stay away from the loud boomer big magnum cased calibers and you will do great. and preferably keep the smallest caliber to 6mm and larger.

the first deer i ever shot was with my 270win at about 20yds deer was shot ounce in the shoulder blades. it was ugly but it did the job. took about 5 more after that with the same 270 from 100-further than 300. the caliber just plain works.
then so did the 2506.

i like playing with calibers that recoil less than the 270win. though not a ton of recoil with it it just doenst lend itself to alot of shooting. id better ad that i also have 3006 im playing with.

i just like to play and chances are i will never find that one caliber that stands out as single most perfect deer caliber out there.

but if i did pick the 270 ass my deer only rifle then that would be one good decision.

Evan

i also decided that for one to decide what the best deer rifle is that he or she must try them all to determine that.

im on the mission to do just that.

wish me luck

Evan

Forget about the cartridge you're using. Just be sure you're using the trusty Remington 700.

ohhhhhhhh but thats an entire difrent debate on its own;)

Sorry Rem700 but your just plain sick:rolleyes:

I do not nor will I ever probably own a 700 remington, they are awful. I cannot put my finger on what it is about them I dislike so but they don't feel right. A friend has one a 700 VSS in .223. sure his is accurate but then he did buy it in about 1985 but even he admits his win 70 heavy barrel synthetic stocked rifle he brought about 3 years later leaves in in the dust for accuracy.

For me I prefer traditionly made firearms forged bolts and recievers not tubing with brazed on bits, but hey it's your money:confused: .

As for the .270 win well I like it but it's been an unlucky cartridge for me :( it was the first full bore cartridge I had and I have yet to take a beast with it. It always seesm that when I get a beast in my sights when carrying a .270 rifle that it's either the wrong beast, wrong sex and out of season or it's an unsafe shot :rolleyes:

However just now I am starting to play with a 6mm Remington chambered Parker-Hale 1200V with heavey barrel. The brass just arrived this morning so now I can start, got the dies last week:p

I've had luck with my 700s myself. They'll all keep it in an inch @ 300yds w/ a rest, no matter how old one of them is(ie, 1970s and younger, with no new parts ever needed--only 1 has a heavy barrel on it which is a 22/250). As for Win. 70s, they're classic, but don't match the accuracy and have a bad time with out of box accuracy and reliability in harsh conditions you could one day accidentally trust it to.

Hi rem700,

Yep you got it bad :D

Heck if you like them that's all that matters. We don't see very many Remingtons here despite heavy advertising although I believe that certain range shooters have them. None of the folks I normally shoot with do though and I have seen exactly two Savage bolt guns, and bump into the occasional Winchester.

Most of the rifles are either older British ones (BSA & Parker-Hale) or European ones. can't say I am too impressed with Sauers 200 and 202 rifles, they look nice but the ones I have sen and had the chance to shoot did not perform very well for accuracy:rolleyes:

This is the 6mm Rem I am playing with,

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...-H1200VRHS.jpg

just sized and trimmed the 100 new R.P cases next it's check for weight then decide on a load for the 70 Grn Sierra MatchKings I have. Might look at BLC-2 as I have a fair bit on hand, also have some H380, Rel 15 & 19. Oh decisions......... decisions :p

Nice to have a classic debat on rifles...anywho, good luck with your 6mm finding the perfect load for them tacks you're gonna shoot.

Hi rem700,

Thankyou, that's what I like about this hobby, it's OK to like different things :D sure would be boring if we all wanted exactly the same.

At one time I didn't want a Parker-Hale rifle as I find the BSA actions so much smoother :p but P-H has a better trigger :rolleyes: now I have 4 P-H rifles and am wondering if they are breeding? :eek:

Yesterday evening I sixed the 100 new R.P cases for the 6mm and then trimmed them to 2.220 so they all cleaned up. I then this morning weighed 20 of them and took the average which was 170.94 grns and went =/- 1% and weighed the rest. Doing this I culled 7 cases now it's time to choose a load, bullets are Sierra 70 grn HP MatchKings primers are Rem 9 1/2. Now for powders it's between :-

Varget
BLC-2
Rel 15
Rel 19

Oh the barrel is 24" long!

On hand I have more i.e several tubs of both BLC-2 and Rel 19 and would rather use them if possible as the price of powder here is ridiculas :eek: how about $57 US a 1lb tub:eek: :rolleyes: :( hence I want to use what I have.

Then all I need to do is find somewhere to shoot:confused: having moved not too long ago it's proving a problem even the locla club is not having a range day this year and I doubt one in January so it means travelling and just now money is tight :rolleyes: Oh well I will figure something out in the end I suppose.

270
 

As far as the 270 being the best deer caliber? I think there are far to many different opinions on this suject.But on average it's probably pretty darn close.Personaly I would place it in the top 5, and would more lean toward it being the best all around caliber.In my opinion if you only owned a 270 you could hunt all you want. Eccept for maybe Grizz.;) Ken.

Brithunter, of those powders listed, Reloder 19 would be my first choice. You'll find the 6MM Rem likes powders in the burning rate range of 4350 or 4831, and Reloder 19 is in that range.
Reloder 15 or Varget might be worth a try with real light varmint bullets.
I see on another thread you want to use some 70 grain match bullets. Reloder 15 or Varget might work with bullets that light. And Reloder 19 might, too.

Hi Jack,

Thankyou for your input, yes I have near a full box of the Sierra 70 Grn MK's so I will start with them for now and I will try to get some of the heavier bullets later.

In light of your experience I will try loading a few with each of the powders you have suggested and see which does the best, something like 15 rounds with each powder and three different charge weights with each powder. That should give me an inlking of what it likes ;) ........................ I hope:p