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Old 05-02-2005, 02:09 AM
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Clinton is in the top 5 and probably the top 3

FDR - top 5 and probably top 3

Washington - nothing real special about him...

Lincholn - I'm going to throw a bombshell and say 20-30.

HUH?
Listen to Fabsroman. Do you really believe any president has a serious impact on the economy of this country? The economy has a mind of its own and goes where it wants, the president simply takes the blame. Name one single act done by any one of your "top 5" presidents and show me how they affected the economy. FDR did absolutely nothing for the economy for all his spending. The only thing that saved us was the war and the rebuilding contracts we got when it was over.Clinton? What magical act did he perform on the economy? I'd love to know and so would Wall Street and every other person on the planet.( can anyone say stock bubble or did you all get out before Clinton's magic really blossomed. Oh wait don't tell me, you really think Priceline.com was worth a billion bucks and it was only GWs ineptitude that prevented us from realizing that dream) Presidents don't do crap as far as making the economy boom, their powers are far too small. Considering the power corporations wield in this world do you really think they are going to let one man whose put there by political parties that can be bought and sold, decide their fate? The only president in this century who might have really affected the economy and not as a result of war, was Reagan and he did it by cutting taxes and simply unbridling the engine of the economy, greed. (GW's tax cut is meaningless economically speaking but every penny less to the govt is always good in my book as its one more penny that will be better spent)

The only meaningful way to judge a president is in the tough choices he had to make and how they affect us today.
Washington risked everything, life and property and when offered even more power he refused.
Lincoln faced some of the toughest choices of all, the future of the entire country and its makeup rested on his shoulders, right or wrong, he stuck by his choice and faced it down.
Can you imagine the world today if either of them had chosen the different paths that were being offered? Where would we be today if Reagan had chosen differently? All of those easy paths were turned down by these men and that is what made them great presidents.
Clinton aTop 5? What tough choice did he make that you are so proud about? Sure, he's top five and the Captain of the Titanic was the best captain in world if you asked about two hours before it sank. He sure had a nice ship, good service and they had a real good menu selection at dinner time.

And guys, as far as interpreting what they meant when they wrote the constitution, its not too hard, in fact we already know.
The dead speak to us and we can speak to those yet unborn. Its called writing and it very clear what the people meant as they wrote it all down for us and we can read about the actual debates that took place. The hard part is getting someone to care when it goes against their own wishes.

Had to post when I saw Washington and Lincoln being put down and not measuring up to the likes of Clinton.
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