all i use is my climber. ladder stands are too big.(wood stands aint safe.they rot in 2 or 3 years so they aint reliabe like a steel or aluminum stand.)i also have a loggy but want a summit bullet. it folds flat for easy transport and quietly sets up in a flash.ladder stands are too much of a hassle and i cant git high enough ( i go at least 25 ft or more
)and they aint as portable, though they are safe.