[jonthedogman]

I would agree with you that the owner needs to be involved.
but involved in the beginning or the end would vary from how difficult the dog is and the experience and ability of the entire family that the dog lives with. (if it is a family dog)

I can't speak for other trainers. and there are allot that do more harm then good. not that this was the case with this dog but as lill red stated this dog came back from a training kennel with such problems. we offer classes, one on one private training and inhouse boarding/training. we also offer weekend private training for those who live out of town or out of country.
every dog is different and should be treated as a individual. as should there handlers. that is why we offer so many way for people to learn how to become dog savvy.
some dogs become worse with formal training (in the beginning stages and need to be worked extensively until problems are resolved.)
the more you work the dog the more faults you find.
trust and respect are very important but learning to except a correction is a must.
in order to have a dog respect you I feel you need to put him /her in many situations that they do not want to be in. this is why I say o-b is the key.
the problem the gentleman has with his Springer is a very common clasic problem with many Springer's and allot of field dogs these day from what I see here in the Midwest.
example would be................ to take a dog that has his basics and push him from there.
ask him to down and stay, sit and stay on surfaces that are uncomfortable(pudles, stairs, on top of another dog, vise versa)
99.9 % of the dogs that behave like this one does will show aggression to there handler. once the dog is fairly reprimanded and put in to control you can ask him to do the same exercise again. that is teaching a dog to except a correction. this will be the start of learning respect. trust will come into play shortly after that. once your dog respects you and has trust in you then and only then can you develop a bond.
I feel that in order to have the entire package you need all these elements.
once a dog responds to one handler the rest of the family can fallow.
any how I need to go run out of town for a few days talk to you guys later in the week.
dog man