[steven gordon]

I have some 30 carine ammo and intend to get one, it looks like it's fun to shoot.

I once lived where "any centerfire cartridge" is legal for deer.

The button buck spotted me at 120 yards and I shot him at 60 yards and closing with my h and r .22Hornet. He went down like a rock because I shot him in the neck, just missing the chin. The bullet went all the way through and was not recovered.

But I'd worked with the rifle and I knew I could literally drive tacks with it. Under 60 yards.

I also knew an Olympic Biathloner in Montana whose favorite elk cartridge was the .218Bee. I allowed as how that cartridge cut down on the target size; he assured me the target was big, the size of silver dollar, right behind the ear.

I knew an Indian in an another state who started a story with, "One time we was out poaching deer with our .22's..." I don't agree with that approach but I don't particularly agree with getting between the Indians and the game.

I also knew a fellow with some self defeating behaviors who poached a deer with a .22 and fed it to his family.

The bottom line: range and shot placement. I don't know that the 30Carbine is adequate for chest shots, but if the gun is accurate and you're good with it, it's probably OK for head and neck shots at ranges up to 60 yards.

And I really liked the part about the best way to handle the CVA muzzeloader.