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Fabs...1100 bucks for any shotgun is ridiculous. This "new" 1100 is just chock full of innovations. The companies have to keep comin up with all this stuff so they can stay in business. Remington has made over 6 million 870's. How can ya keep making something that doesn't really wear out without "new" innovations?? And I haven't really bought a "new" gun in a long time. The last absolutely new gun I got was a Beretta Extrema that I got at Bass Pro about 3 yrs ago. It was an ok gun ..Not a UPS but not great either. I didn't pay anywhere close to retail for it either. Retail was somewhere around 1050 or so and I paid 810 and that included tax. Before I'd pay that retail kinda price for the new guns I'd go buy used ones any day. Even with all the "new" innovations and technology...with guns there ain't really anything new under the sun. Look at the new Short mags...They give approx the same velocities of the calibers they are replacing...and they save a whole 2 er 3 ounces of weight and don't really kill farther or shoot any better than the older stuff...so what is the reason?? Keeps the gun companies in buisiness I guess...cept Winchester. But still most of the guns sold in the US now come from overseas somewhere.