[scooterman27006]

LOL thanks fellas for teh input here - i never knew they used different powders for factory stuff - figured they would use same to keep it consistent - as far as family - well it just makes me feel a little better that my gun kiiled whatever - and i feel im as fortunate as any person i know just to be able to afford this hobby and i hate to say it but some of my kin are good people but they have their budget to go by and i guess my budget-well i have more play money than they do - hows that lol - im just glad to be able to help them out especially when one of them would rather hunt than eat when he is hungry - i remember those days before my son was born --- ok im gonna start with the 4895 - but i also have some 4320 - i appreciate the words here and will maybe do a little load play this weekend - bad thing is i dont have a clue as to the velocity on the factory frontier stuff - i will try 4 or 5 different loads and go from there - if it shoots good then i will jsut adjust the scope and stick with that one and then i will know - just figured it would be easier this way if i could figure out what the secret mix was for frontier - its never that easy but i do get to shoot a little and play scoot