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No the top guns got shot 3 or 4 times and went in the trash. They were a really good load when they first came out..but did have a paper base wad at least in the beginning. The ones that got loaded and thrown were mostly Federal game load cases and such. 6 Star crimp and paper base wad. Believe it or not I paid 350 bucks for those empties..Penny a piece delivered and they figured They had 35000..kept sending 'em till they were gone and ended up with 55000. They just wanted to be rid of 'em I guess. I sold a few to get some of my money back and used the rest. Still have about a 1000 once fired that are loaded with a 1150 ft a second load with an ounce and an eighth of 8 1/2s. Probably never shoot 'em as I don't use the 12 much anymore..