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Originally Posted by skeet
They came here illegally..your parents didn't..Why should illegals have the vote?? Even if they are made legal..And it seems as though you don't get it..It's a point to be made..it ain't just dollars and cents..I'm sorry the immigrant issue is so close to you..but legal and illegal are two different things. If they are well to do what are they wanting to come here for?? Why reward illegal activity..There are hundreds of thousands of people who try to get here legally and we are going to reward illegals?? Fabs..you just don't get it. I hate to disillusion you so badly..but sometimes the issues should only be black and white with NO gray areas.. But gray areas are an attorney's life blood and I know it as well as you do..so you will always try to skirt the black/ white and get gray. As far as Obama's policies..With the way he has tried to sell this country down the river..I will never compromise with him or his policies. I don't know how any true America citizen ever could.
And as far as your next post cause I know it'll be there... I don't think any attorney should ever vote for or against a law that may affect his future work. We had many legislators in the past who were not attorneys and they helped write some of the laws of this land. Don't forget just because a person is a butcher baker candlestick maker...doesn't necessarily mean he is an idiot..It seems as though that being an attorney is on the job training for legislator/Polictician NOW..all that being said..GO TO BED..its 2 in the mornin...there. That's where I'm goin and it's only midnight here.
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I'm still working. Lately, I have been working until 3:00 in the morning a lot. Can't complain though because I am having a pretty good year money wise.
Anyway, I will agree about the voting issue, until they become citizens. However, I don't think non-citizens can vote anyway. The part that you are not getting, is that the penalty to apply for the permanent visa is $15,000 in "back taxes". They aren't getting a free lunch, it will cost them $15,000 and a clean criminal record to become legal.
The other part you are not getting is that there is NO way you are going to round all these people up that are currently in the US and deport them. Common sense should tell you that. We have enough problems with criminals already that we cannot put through the system and house in jail, that we really do not need to spend additional money on enforcing our immigration laws on people that have been here for 5+ years and caused no trouble.
Now, after we allow this amnesty program for a year, we really crack down. We tighten up things on the border, require local police to contact INS when they arrest somebody that does not have a green card, and we deport them. The good immigrants will come out and apply to be legal, the bad ones will eventually be rounded up and deported as they hit the system.
Trust me, I'm not trying to make this a gray area. Thing is, in your utopian world we would be able to push a button and teleport these people back to Mexico. We aren't there yet, so it would take a ton of money/effort to get the job done, and who is willing to pay for that? I asked this in an earlier post, ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY MORE IN TAXES to deport 11 million+ illegals and lock down the borders. If you aren't, then you aren't really willing to support what you want. Who knows, with the additional tax revenue from the good portion of the illegals, we might be able to afford to get rid of the bad ones.
The reason this is a gray issue is because it isn't easy to 1) deport them all or 2) legalize them all. There are way too many issues, and to view it as a black and white area is to be naive, or to think like a liberal with rose colored glasses on thinking that we can easily deport all 11 million + illegal immigrants. Again, I am looking at it as a realist, not an idealist dreaming of my own version of utopia.
I would love to see the butcher, baker, and candlestick maker draft legislation that gets the job done that they want to get done. Keep in mind, 100 years ago things were a lot simpler than they were now, so the butcher, baker, and candlestick maker didn't really have to worry too much about things. Start talking about derivative investments and other complex issues, and we will see how the butcher, baker, and candlestick maker draft legislation on their own. I'm sure the attorneys would have a field day with a lot of it, on one side or the other, and there would be plenty of loopholes in the laws that the butcher, baker, and candlestick maker never thought were there.
Back to work I go.