[skeet]

Adam what you and I find of value may be a bit different. If it shoots to the same place all the time..give me a gun without sights. Or if it shoots everywhere like a PT-92 I had once...give me a rock. That gun didn't shoot within a foot of where the sights pointed except by luck. And that at less than 10 yds. It resides in someone elses bedstand now. Most of our up close and personal guns are used without sights. Seems like most of the time anyway. Training seems to go flying out the door. At least in more than 90% of the ocassions. That being said..most of my guns are adjustable sighted..except the easily carried guns. But even those ...I know where they shoot. Where I'm lookin. Just like you, I load to get 'em there. Seems as though during a gunfight..we don't have time for precise aiming when the other guy is shootin at us. Or maybe it's just me. LOL As the old joke went..If I was expecting trouble I'd hadda a rifle or a shotgun.