Cops and concealed carry?

[papi]

i am very happy and love retirement.i now get to spend time with family and friends .i spend a great deal of time with my grandkids.sir,i am very happy and can care less what you think.some people just do not like to hear the truth

[Nulle]

This old post is "hot" again I see and I am going to stay out of it other then "my" way of dealing with the gun on a person is to ask where it is located and then I will retreive it if need be.
All stops are different but I personaly am not going to let the person mess with his gun at any point.

[papi]

exactly nulle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Adam Helmer]

papi,

I am glad you are retired as I am. Today I received a pension check from a grateful government. I spent 26 years "On the Street" and never worked behind a desk.

You dodged all my prior questions. If you are truly a 5th generation police officer, are you telling me, and the world, you never had a "shaky" cop in your department? Just what department did you work in? "Breaking the rules" and going to the Chief is just good, common sense. You said several times that, "going to the Chief" was not proper. Just what planet are you living on, fellow? Forget the "Graduate" and watch "Serpico" and maybe you will understand the cases I worked on the street. Be well.

Nulle: My point exactly, those stopped "DO AS THEY ARE TOLD?" Are you listening papi? Can I hear a 10-4?

Happy New Year

Adam

[papi]

i did answer your question. i worked for the dallas county sheriffs dept in dallas,texas.i have never said a single time that going to the chief was not proper. i said going to the chief had nothing to do with ccw. get your facts straight.i watched serpico. maybe you were watching the graduate since you said dustin hoffman was starring in it.
you never answered my question asked several times. show me where in any leo job that it allows a cicilian to handle a firearm in the officers presence?

[BILLY D.]

i think adams way of doing things is correct. i have only been stopped once for a license plate light violation, of all things. obviously the officer was looking for drunks. which i wasn't.

when the officer approached my vehicle she, yes a female, asked for my drivers license, registration etc. and i included my carry permit. she asked where the weapon was, i said it ain't a weapon yet, it was a firearm, she kind of grinned and i told her it was on my left hip, i carry crossdraw, much faster for me, and she proceeded to write out a warning ticket for the burned out plate light. and that was that.

of course i understand some officers might give someone a bit of grief in a situation such as that. as adam says go to their supervisor. there is just no practical reason to argue with a law officer at the scene. it's a lose, lose. the officer, male or female may be having pms that day. most are only human.

do what you are told to do and keep your big mouth shut. if you don't like the way the situation was handled, see the boss man. remember that person you are dealing with was hired to uphold the law be they male or female, 90% try to do it right. and yes some do get power drunk. but thats life. check out some of the buttheads that work for tsa. now there is a real crew.

anyway, if you are having diarrhea of the the gums and want to see a bad situation turn really bad keep running off at the mouth.

and thats that.

[papi]

you got out with the gun on your hip?that was a extremely dumb move.you never get out with it.what would have happened if a back up officer saw the gun before the lady officer knew anything about it.you could have been killed, very dumb move.
arguing with the officer will hurt you when you go to court. we were trained to write what was being said on the back of our citations.many now have cameras and can also pick up the sound.hand over the ccw license and tell the officer the gun is at a certain place in the car.you show good sense in knowing when to be quiet. use that good sense and do not get out with the gun on your hip

[BILLY D.]

i was not told to exit the vehicle, therefore i stayed in my seat like a good little boy with hands in plain sight.

when i exersise concealed carry i carry on my person. i want my piece with me not in the glove box or console. thats what concealed carry means.

[papi]

you should never get out with a gun or your side.;eave it in the car.ccw laws can not teach you common sense.you have to do that yourself.toomany with ccw's should never have them. they pass a background a go to class for just a few hours.ccw says on are about your person.you again have to use common sense of when to not carry a gun. a gun is a weapon in any circumstance.

[BILLY D.]

don't know about texas law but here in gods country the only places i can not carry a firearm are schools, government buildings, churches and athletic events and bars. i can carry my firearm where ever i want and do.

so what good is texas conceald carry if you can not get out of your car or vehicle and carry a firearm? what do you have other than a $30000 holster?

[Nulle]

Let me tell you that in my years of working the streets and chasing tail lights I have worked with some utter "train wrecks" for cops and when the time came to put a stop to some of their BS I didn't hesitate for a second on going up the chain.

[gregarat]

I re-read Billys reply several times. Where does it say that he got out of his vehical?
Im not going to question who you are. I realy dont care. Ive known Billy for awhile. I think he knows what concealed means.

i was a leo from 1976-2001.i am a 5th generation retired officer.my dad had 40 years on the job.i have a uncle who retired from government work.my firearms instructor was a fbi agennt by the name of bob butler.when you talk about ccw they are not well trained.you sound like a administrator and not a street level officer.

Good for you, I wouldnt doubt that you have great gunhandling skills. It doesnt make you the expert on the capability of every LEO.
When I was qualifying for my Florida G-license (armed security), there was several LEOs qualifying with my class. A few LEOs had a hard time even at 7-15y. It was a real eye opener for me. Me being a measly civilian, has had over 22yrs of firearms experience( I shot a 289). I guess a few months of training makes these guys far more qualified to handle a firearm than myself . Elitist atitudes like "us against them", is why I plan on staying in the private end.


P.S. 8x56ms,

If your momma told you that policemen were your friends, she lied to ya.

Are you sure your not Irish?

[papi]

here in texas a place can put a sign on the door that no guns are allowed and the ccw does not allow you to carry inside.that sign only pertains to ccw people.
where did i mention anything about being an expert?did you just make that up?ccw does not qualify here with guards.it is more than just shooting.you go thru classroom work and then shoot.i would not shoot with a guard.how long was your background investigation.here it can take up to a year.just because you can shoot good does not make you quailfied to carry.that sounds just like a guard attitude.i find it extremely suspicious that you had rather make a great deal of money less.i would be willing to bet that something in your background keeps you from being qualified.stay private if that is all you are qualified to be.
we shoot not just at targets but cituational shooting.shoot dont shoot.we simulate things and shoot under those situations. don't give me the crap that guards do that.if a officer here does not qualify he can not carry his or her weapon.shooting at distances helps you get used to shooting at those distances.most gun battles with a officer takes place at about 3 yards.the state here will not allow you to carry your weapon unless you can quailfy with it. in some cases the depts will make the officer go back thru schooling.if he then does not qualify he is terminatedmy dept was very slow to go to semi's.not sure why.they now issue glocks.women have a hard time with them stove piping.it is due to having a limp wrist.women also have a great deal of problems loading the magazines.the spring is too rigid.
here you shoot to a score of 100.you have to shoot at least 70 to quaify. that is not very goodwe had several that were sent home and could not carry,they were women and older men such as a bailiff.
while both leo and guards try to uphold the law,there is no way in hell you can compare the two.if you tell the truth then something is keeping you from quaifying to be a leo.
ccw carrying allows you to carry,common sense can not be taught in a classroom.jujst because you are allowed to do things does not mean it should be done.here we have had very few probs with ccw people. we have a few in prison.again i have to stress common sense. the attitude of i can carry anytime and any place i want is a wreck waiting to happen.use common sense.
we were trained by a fbi agent by the name of bob butler.i always wanted to shoot for the dept.i never was good enough.our bestshooter was a little female.she was tuff.to get a dept expert pin you have to shoot at least 90 for 5 years. i shot 90 or above for 25 years.i ahve a office buddy in michigan that used to be a cop in florida.he does not like forums but i will try to get him in here.i will let him talk about florida things.he comes down every year and we go hog hunting

[gregarat]

where did i mention anything about being an expert?

Oh, I see now. You are the only one allowed to assume. So, how does it feel when it is turned around on you?

Its not realy worth talking to a person who assumes facts. Pluse, How can I comunicate with a person who cant even write?

stay private if that is all you are qualified to be.

I feel the same about your retirement.

[papi]

my typing is very poor.i have lost a great deal of my eyesight to a eye disease.i have never talked about assuming anything.i do not feel anything is turned on me.i put up with idiots for 25 years and survived.you try typing looking thru a magnify glass with one hand.
check your own spelling of the word"plus".you mispelled a very simple word.i now see what you were referring to about communication and writing.must be tuff for you