Bad timing

[jonthedogman]

I understand what you are saying and I agree with you that you need to draw the line some place.
but this person wants to keep his dog from what he is saying. if that's the case certain things must be done.
I'm not shore how much formal training you seen and who was doing it. as I said before I can't comment on what others do.
but from your posts you seem to have the idea that in order to get a dog to do things against there will a great deel of force is needed. this is not what I was suggesting. yes dogs need to learn to take responsibility for there actions and to except a correction for misbehavior. and every misbehavior needs to have a consequence. but all this can be accomplished without e-collars, heavy corrections or just giving them the boot.
communication is very important.
how you get it will vary and imposable for me to explain over the puter.

don't forget this is a bird dog. he needs to hunt for you. as much as for himself. in the field this dog needs to take direction from the handler. and also to stop hunting when told. if you do not have such control outside the hunting environment then in it is even harder in the field
in my opinion much different than a hound who hunt for themselves. we only take advantage of natural ability with these dogs.

did you say you run beagle dogs??????????
can you shoot me a e-mail???
I need some advice.
thanks in advance
dogman