Sure was a big stink on the news last night about that 5.7 pistol

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There are plenty of rounds that can go through a cop's vest. I am willing to bet that an officer on the receiving end of a 12 ga. shotgun sabot in full copper would be having a really bad day. I would also tend to believe that any Barnes X bullet, Winchester failsafe bullet, or other solid rifle bullet would go through a vest and I am extremely sure that a bullet designed to kill an elephant or rhino would go through a vest. Thing is, all of these bullets are for rifles and they are expensive, even if you reload. Sure, people can get handguns that shoot some of these rounds, but your average criminal isn't going to know what a TC Encore is, much less how to shoot them.

Let's keep in mind that Winchester black talons were outlawed because they were deemed cop killers. If my memory serves me correctly, they are almost the same bullet as the failsafe, just made for handguns.

It all comes down to what the average criminal is currently using as to what should be outlawed. If the average gang banger started using .50 BMG's, they should be outlawed. Now, lets all agree that the average criminal is not going to spend thousands of dollars on a gun.