Rocky, You mentioned .30-30 test's.

[Rocky Raab]

Well, I've shot four types so far, but only because those were what I could find.

One small batch of a 165 bevel-base (plain) was from a local supplier who was just getting into the business. I never heard from him again, and he didn't answer emails or phone calls.

Another Utah supplier makes the same bullet (the typical 170 flat nose, plain base designed for the 30-30) but they don't have any with gas checks

I've tried Laser-Cast plain base 170s, but haven't gotten any of their new GC style...yet.

All the plain-base designs gave at least acceptable groups at velocities below 1300 fps. Funny how some powders snug 'em all together and other almost identical powders don't!

The current batch is a 150 FN GC from LeadHead Bullets in Kansas. They seem to really want to shoot at any speed at all, right up to full charge. They do cost a bunch, though. With shipping, I paid $36 for 250 of 'em. As much as jacketed.