well since i got no suggestions i bought the rcbs neck turner that goes on the trim pro and am very very happy with the results - i know i should try a few loads without turning and see what happens to my shots but if its shooting great with this recipe then i am going to keep on doing and using what is proven itself to me - i am only taking off the least amount of brass so i will see what happens with the new brass as well - i will try a few without turning so someone can say told ya so lol - just thought i would toss the info in there for the fellas that do neck turn and wondered about the rcbs setup - it works great so far