Just a thought

[gregarat]

So most people who go to prison are worthless. Thats very true.

What about the few who actualy learn from their stupidity? Do we just cast them aside beacuse they might go back to their old way of life? Truth be told if they cant get a job at McDonalds, all they can do is go back to iligal ways to make money to live. If thats the case why the heck do we even let them out? I guess their is no such thing as a second chance anymore?
Mind you, I am talking about a small percentage of the Con., and ex Con. population.


I guess people who enter this countery iligaly are worth more .


Oh yeah... if I were to have to choose between the Robber, or the enbezzler to hire. The choice would be oviouse for me.
I would choose the robber.
The robber would just steal what he could carry. The enbezzler would take your buisness for everything its worth

[fabsroman]

The smart embezzler would only take a small portion of the business to make sure that it survives a while. Kind of like a tick feeding off a deer. Also, he would take so little that nobody would notice and he would not end up in jail.

With that said, I know a couple of convicted criminals that are making fine money in the automotive repair business. Convicted criminals can make money and get jobs, it is just hard for them to get jobs where they will have responsibility (e.g., supervisors, handling money). I am sure there are a ton of convicted criminals in the construction industry doing the building.

I am not saying that criminals should not be employed after they serve their time, I am saying that not all of them want to be employed while in prison or out of prison.

[Valigator]

Nulle, yea dont you love it? His office and I have been e-mailing since I first read about it.....his original proposed legislation was to limit the amount of offenders in his city...now its gotten way to radical...and I fear, wont pass......these things take baby steps...and I wish he would have left well enough alone with the original idea.....I know that would have flown....and it would have been a huge step....towards the safety of the kids.....Oh well...we will see.....these guys will be with us always....we need a better solution.....all the laws passed out of outrage, wont do any one any good if the judges continue to use their own discretion when ever they feel like it....

[Nulle]

Well dear let me stir the pot a little = Just what makes him think "his" kids are more valuable the the ones in the rest of the country ? We don't care for these folks in Belle Fourche SD no more then he does in his city and we sure don't want his problems on top of our own.
All this Mayor is going to do over this drastic action of his is cause bad case law that will in turn hurt all of us in future legislation.

[Valigator]

You are 100 % correct......its called NIMBY..."not in my backyard" I have been in this fight long enough to know, reactions like his does nothing to solve the problems.....originally I supported his efforts when the proposal was to LIMIT.......now he is pissin in the wind so to speak.

http://www.petitiononline.com/restrict/petition.html

To date there is no limit to the amount of sexual offender/predators that can establish residence in any given zip code. In lower income or high rental areas this places a disproportionate amount of offenders in ratio to the surrounding communities. This lowers property values, puts a burden on police and corrections resources but most of all exposes our families and children to an unfair amount of convicted sexual offenders in any given area. I propose the cities have a right to limit the amount of convicted sexual offenders and predators that can establish residence to make these neighborhoods safer. If city officials had the guts to enforce this, the state would have to stand back and take a good long hard look at sentencing, interstate compact laws, incarceration, probation and deportation guidelines. If the citizens can’t get the justice they deserve from our elected officials in Tallahassee, maybe we should demand it from our local officials. Lots of advertising is done in this country on behalf of the welfare of the children. But when judges and attorneys are using the judicial system as a revolving door and throwing these offenders back in our neighborhoods, you have to wonder how safe they really want our children to be. I am begging someone to look at the big picture here. We are passing legislation in our country on knee-jerk reactions. Sex offenders are not going away, in fact with our classification system you will see more and more which is straining the budget of all our enforcement agencies.

Fabs always takes offense to the one sentence, I probably will have to rewrite it....

[fabsroman]

I'll add more fuel to the fire.

Why do you think low rent districts are, well, low rent districts? I would be willing to be that there are more released criminals in general living in these districts. I'd be willing to bet there is more crime in general in these districts too. Why should that crime be spread to higher rent, more affluent, districts. Some people work hard, pay that additional money, just to get out of those crappy districts. Why should the law be limited to sexual offenders. How about murderers, gang members, etc.

I doubt a law like this will ever pass, but more power to you Val.

[Valigator]

Fabs, what am I gonna do with you darlin?

First off, sex offenders as you know after completeing their sentences are usually in a lower income area because its affordable.....just common sense right.....well these lower income areas are usually where young couples are just starting their families. We are not talking slums here....we are talking blue collar neighborhoods.....hard working people buying their first houses...renting etc...they always have a higher number of offenders than your gated communities....does that make their children any less valuable?

Second, you have to look at some border states passing laws to impact the illegal alien problem. Now I know you being in Maryland and all might not be impacted as much as some other states...but by passing heavy restrictions on these people....the ultimate goal is to get them deported faster....slow down the influx to certain states, "interstate compact laws" and impose longer sentences.....

So its a roundabout way of telling our lawmakers...Hey, get your head out of your butt....go back to the drawing board and keep the bad guys locked up for as long as possible, get rid of the illegals..who by the way, comprise a huge number of offenders, and shut the borders to anyone convicted of a sexual offense....now how can you argue with that?

PS. and if you really took the time to know more about this subject than you obviously do...you will find these crimes against our kids are not one time events that go away over time...facts are...the overwhelming amount of abusers were abused themselves...its generational....so as the crimes become more common and not dealt with, the odds of your kids or grandkids getting a hit from one of these guys gets greater and greater...

[fabsroman]

"PS. and if you really took the time to know more about this subject than you obviously do...you will find these crimes against our kids are not one time events that go away over time...facts are...the overwhelming amount of abusers were abused themselves...its generational....so as the crimes become more common and not dealt with, the odds of your kids or grandkids getting a hit from one of these guys gets greater and greater..."

I might be younger than you Val, but I'm not naive. While I cannot take hours and hours out of my day to thoroughly research every subjecy I post about on here, I do know about the PS portion of your post.

I am all for stricter laws requiring these people to spend the rest of their life in jail, or better yet, the death sentence. I used to be a big proponent of the death sentence until I heard about all these innocent guys on death row. I sort of understand that they were found guilty before modern science could have proven them not guilty, but I also watched that show about that good doctor down in Florida where he was found guilty because of modern science that was later proven to be wrong. Anyway, I digress.

What I am not for is laws that say all counties have to support the same number of child molestors/criminals. I know where the bad areas of Maryland are and I choose to stay away from them. I also have plenty of friends, blue colar and white colar, and they stay away from these areas also.

Essentially, what you are looking to do is almost like welfare. Make the poorer neighborhoods better to live in at the cost of the wealthy. Yeah, keep the SOB's in jail longer, fine with me, but don't tell me that they will HAVE to move into my neighborhood because I do not have enough of them around here. Why not give them million dollar homes in Potomac, Maryland because I can bet that there aren't many of these scumbags living there. If we are really looking for everybody to be subject to the same ratio of sexual offenders to normal people, we would have to give them million dollar homes in Potomac, Maryland because there is nothing cheaper than that around there. Hell, the median home price in Montgomery County, Maryland is $650,000, who is going to pay for all of these guys to live evenly throughout the county.

What I really do not understand is why my sister spent $332,500 on a condo and I spent $333,000 on a townhouse so that we can be told that we will be forced to live next to sexual offenders who will be given subsidized housing in our area because they definitely cannot afford it. Both my sister's condo and my townhouse are now selling for $400,000+. Why should we have to pay the high mortgage cost and be subjected to the same atmoshere as the poor neighborhoods.

When evaluating where to live, a lot of variables come into play, schools, businesses, growth, and CRIME. I didn't move into the very affordable Southeast Washington, D.C. where I could have picked up a row house for less than $100K because that place used to be the murder capital of the nation. According to your program, most of those gang members should be moved out too because Southeast D.C. has an incorrect ratio of gang members to normal people. Those gang members should also get a mansion in Potomac to sell crack out of. Same goes for Seat Pleasant in Prince George's County, Maryland.

Why are jails usually in crappy neighborhoods? Because nobody in their right mind wants to live next to a jail, so they work their rears off to get away from that environment. I guess we should drop a jail in Potomac, Maryland. NOT. The residents there would be on the phone to their reps in the Maryland Legistlature and the County Council and it would never happen.

You have great ideas Val, but they aren't as easy to implement as you think.

I guess I should also be saying, "Val, what am I going to do with you darlin?"

In a utopia, there would be no crime and everybody would live in a mansion, but this isn't a utopia. We have good and bad, rich and poor, old and young, well and sick, smart and stupid, etc.

What's that Forest saying that my mom loves, ah yes,

Stupid is as stupid does.

I am all for stricter sentences on criminals, but that would mean more jails and more taxes, and nobody wants to hear more taxes. I am all for deporting our criminals to the southern most tip of South America, or better yet, Antartica, so that they will have a long trip to get back to the US. Deporting them to the southern most tip of South America would give these South American countries a little taste of what they are sending our way.

Better yet, build a Great Wall of America across our southern border, have citizens take turns manning it, like jury duty, to prevent south americans from coming over, and toss our convicted criminals over the wall for the given sentence time. Once their time is up, they can come back into the US. Makes it a lot easier to meet out harsh sentences because we do not have to worry about overflowing jails. The only thing we would have to worry about is Mexico overflowing, but even then, they could continue to move south.

[Valigator]

I'm not sure how you want me to respond to the above post????but I am glad you and your family are doing well......

[fabsroman]

Val,

It doesn't matter how you respond to the above post, it is all a good debate. My parents came over here from Italy in the early 50's when they were just 14. They didn't know English very well, but they learned it. They lived in the middle of Washington, D.C. but were able to move out of there when they got married. They moved to what was a decent part of Prince George's County. It's not so decent anymore. After that, they moved to a nicer area in Montgomery County, not even close to a Potomac, and they have lived there ever since. They wanted me to buy a house around there, but I refused to do so because the area is deteriorating. The high school I went to, predominantly white when I went there, now has a majority that is minorities, if that makes any sense. All around where they live is pockets of poor families (e.g., low income, immigrants). It looks as though the areas that had the older folk in them living in homes built in the 50's, are now being taken over by minorities as the old folk leave or pass away. It is amazing to see what used to be a high income neighborhood become a low income neighborhood. Right now I am trying to get them to sell their house and move out by me, but that will take some doing.

Reply away, I can debate this subjecy all night and into the day, and I still like my Great Wall of America idea.

[Lilred]

As fer as inmates werkin..they should do it fer free..12 hour days just like my sorry butt. Hell, they git more meals a day than I do..and I gotta cook it myself!
Furthermore..people aint stupid..in general. When somebody is commiting ANY illegal act, wether it's peein on the side of road or robbin a bank..deep down..somewhere in that turnip-sized brain of the common criminal..they KNOW they are doin somethin wrong. I truly aint the patience God give a rock when it's comes to that crap. Iffin you know it's illegal..and you do..then you know you will face the consequences at some point in time.
Therefer..carry ALL their carcasses out somewhere and make em do somthin. And iffin they caint be trusted outside..chain gang em. And iffin they think that wont werk, put em to werk makin plastic toys er some crap. ANYTHING but sit there.

Illegal immigrants..put em in a cow trailer and haul em all back.
I frankly dont care what they do with em. Iffin they caint come in legal..to hell w/ em. They might be nice people, w/ the Saint Peter w/ em...but..yet again..you KNOW you are doin somethin wrong..bein that it is illegal..then throw their butts on the chain gang too.

Fabs..(I know it's comin..lol) what I say might not practical er whatever..but dernit..it aint nowhere as difficult as most other things this country does...and fer stupid reasons. Things in life is only as difficult as you make em.

They oughta enroll all them illegal people and them convicts in the dern Army..throw em in Bagdad somewheres. See how quick they'll defend this country. They'd all run w/ their tailed tucked. Iffin you aint willin to die fer the country that feeds & clothes you every day fer free, and let you in here even iffin you didnt do it legal and they even risked diein just to git over here..then let em git whacked.

This is a harsh post..sorry ya'll..but my patience is very short when it comes to lazy, ignorant people. I reckon dealin w/ the public every day makes you that way..I dunno.
But i know one thing..I'm tirit of givin people free rides and 10% discounts fer no reason, and I'm tirit of lazy, ignorant people livin offa my sweat & tears..directly er indirectly.

[BILLY D.]

LILRED

I LOVE YA.

YOU CALL THEM THE WAY YOU SEE EM'. YOU NAILED IT DOWN WITH BRASS TACKS, PLAIN AND TO THE POINT AND I ADMIRE YOU.

THANKS

[Valigator]

Honey nobody could of said it better...how is that precious baby?..kiss her on the lips for me....Val

[fabsroman]

Lilred,

I'll agree with you for the most part, except for the 10% discount and having any respectable soldier have to rely on any of these guys.

The 10% discount I received for my hardwood was well deserved. I'm sure you know about that incident because I have posted about it before.

As far as sending the criminals and illegals into battle to support the US and seeing how fast they run the other way, how about the liberals. The day the Chinese or whomever else is knocking at the door, I cringe to think that the liberals might have to fight.

[Lilred]

Fabs...there are alot of folks who do deserve 10%...but most don't. I wont start goin off on that..I'll be typin all day..lol
But I aint givin 10% off to every person who comes in mad cause all the handicapped spaces were full in the parkin lot. Yes, that is a true story.

Val, the baby is fine, she talks alot now, or attempts to. She loves books, and Mama tryin to teach her words aint exactly smart. She says "flower" like I do, which is more like "flare". She knows eyes, nose, ears and mouth..which she says "mouf"...lol
Her favorite thing is Elmo..which I say as "ail-mo". She says it that way too, and it's real cute. She says "ail-muh".
She runs around grabbin everything off the table that she can, I have padlocked and chained everything down like a earthquake is comin..lol She LOVES outside...she pays close attention to everythin, like the birds singin, and she loves the flowers, grass and leaves. She is truly a blessin to our family..even tho she causes as much trouble as a fox in a chicken house..lol

Billy, thanks fer the kind werds..my Pop always told me never to beat arouund the bush at nuthin. My Pop was stern, and strong as an ox. I miss him very much, but everybody on here dun heard that fore. Growin up in the late 70's, I was cobbin corn by hand w/ them old corn grinders...Gawd I hated that. We hunted, fished, trapped on the river fer a week at a time. We raised acres of everythin, mostly bacccer..chickens & hogs too. Cut wood all year long fer the winter. Iffin anything good comes out of me, it was surley because of him. He was very "Southern" and right from wrong was a daily preachin. So was manners, and respect. Doin things on yer own w/o askin fer help was another big preachin..along w/ bein ladylike and doin "womanly" things like cleanin & cookin. He was 72 when he died in 1989 ...after sufferin fer 4 years on counta a stroke. He was paralyzed on his right side from his neck down. Fer 3 of them 4 years, he/we still planted and cut wood. He was tireless even tho half of his body didn't work. it ran out tho, he became bedridden, and a year later he died of pnuemonia.
Which is just another reason why I dont feel nary an ounce of sympathy fer any dam convict nor them fools who risk their life to come over here illegally, and then expect no punishment other than a lower payin job.

If a Virginia man w/ half of a body can raise everythin from mater plants in the spring, baccer and food crop all summer, greens in the winter, cut wood and take care of his family..then them there fools can git out on that chain gang and do some werk.