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Old 10-31-2002, 10:53 PM
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Question "improving" the .250 Savage?????

this question is probably for Rocky, more than anyone else, as he definitely seems to be a fan of the .250 Savage.

Anyhow, I was wondering about going the "Ackley Improved" route with a rifle I recently bought. It's a Savage 111 L in .250 Savage. The numbers in the ballistics charts intrigue me, as the improved version offers a high- percentage velocity increase over the standard chambering. The book states that this is the best of the improved chamberings for this reason.

Would the factory barrel be okay to improve, or would you go with a custom barrel?? Is the Savage action one that gunsmiths are comfortable working with?? If the factory barrel is used, should it be set back before rechambering?? Can I expect decent accuracy if the factory barrel is used??

Yeah, I know, that's more than one question, but bear with me. We don't have a gunsmith in my area, so there's no one else to answer these questions.

If I decide to do this, I'll have to find a 'smith within a reasonable distance of my home. Springfield, Mo. is probably the closest city where I could find one capable of this type of work. Any suggestions???

Any and all comments, opinions, experience.. will be greatly appreciated.

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Also, the Midway,USA Gunsmithing catalog lists a chamber reamer for a .250 Ackley Magnum Improved. Anyone ever hear of this one??? What is it based on??
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Old 11-01-2002, 09:28 AM
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I've owned several .250 Savage rifles (one actually a 99A Savage). Case life is another good reason to re-chamber. It does stretch some in the standard chambering.

I had a .250 AI in a Ruger 77 a good many years ago and it was a shooter. Mild recoil and a fairly efficient cartridge. If I remember correctly, the gunsmith just ran the reamer in without setting the barrel back, but I could be wrong.
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Old 11-01-2002, 09:35 AM
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I'd stick with the original barrel. Savage makes superbly accurate barrels.

JB is correct, the 'smith merely has to run the reamer in. And a Savage is so easy to headspace that it is an excellent rifle to do this mod.

(You lucky $%#*&%&!!! I looked for a bolt-action 250 for ten YEARS and never found one. That's why I had a 25-308 built in the first place. It is almost exactly the same as the 250 Improved as far as case size and shape is concerned. Within two grains of water case capacity, too. Trust me, you're gonna love your 250 AI)
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Old 11-01-2002, 09:48 AM
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Just a point of order, but in order to properly AI a barrel, one needs to set the barrel back a touch, not just run the reamer in. No biggie, but headspace gets a little longer than desired if just reaming. FWIW, Dutch.
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Old 11-01-2002, 09:50 AM
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Yep, you should be good to go with you Savage and the factory barrel. If it shoots good now it should shoot good when rechambered. Most of the time when you see a round that is said to be improved it is Ackley improved unless other wise stated, I said most of the time. You will need a new set of dies but you will still be able to shot factory ammo in a pinch. Any smith worth his salt can easily rechamber the barrel for you. As a matter of fact, if your magizine is long enohgh and the back of the barrel is heavy enough far enough out, and they would feed, you could have it reamed out to a .257 AI, and be up to .25-06 velosities. The .250 imp. will steep you up a fair amount though.
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Old 11-01-2002, 08:20 PM
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DutchBoy's right about the barrel usually having to be set back a tad, but with a Savage, that's very simple to do, and shouldn't cause the gunsmith any problem at all.
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Old 11-02-2002, 06:05 PM
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I have a Ruger International M77 in .250 AI. I have found this to be as good a deer rifle as anything on the market today. 100 grain Sierra Game King at 3200fps is not to be sneezed at. Accurate too.
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Old 11-03-2002, 08:08 PM
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Question another question for Rocky....

Rocky, have you ever owned a .250 Improved?? If so, is the increased performance worth the cost?? Or is the standard .250 chambering adequate in its original form??

One reservation I have about this change, and I know this is probably not really a consideration, but this will affect the resale value of the rifle. Yeah, I know, a synthetic stocked Savage 111 lefty is not really a collectible, but it is an unusual combo. The gun shop owner who sold the rifle new, told me that this rifle was in his order catalog for only one issue. (Usually, if I buy or trade for a gun to swap on later, I end up keeping it, so I guess resale is not too important, either.)

I'll have to make up my mind about this procedure. I'm not sure if I want to alter the rifle from factory form. I haven't started loading for it , yet, just using up the ammo that came with it. I may find that I am completely satisfied with the original chambering, just kick it in the pants with some warmer loads.

(P.S. Rocky, the previous owner came into my small business shop and offered the rifle for sale, knowing I'm a lefty, and that I would probably buy it regardless of caliber. The price was, after a bit of horse-trading, very attractive. Rifle, scope, mounts, 200+ rounds of ammo and brass, and dies, for $230.00 . How could I tell him "NO" ???? I didn't!!!)

If this were your rifle, do you think you would go for the AI version, or leave it alone???

Trying to make up my feeble mind.....


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Old 11-04-2002, 03:06 PM
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250 savage

Take a look at the .257 Roberts Improved it has a bigger case capacity and it will shoot along if not faster with some loads than the .25-06. Since your rifle is a long action there shouldn't be any problem with the longer case. Take a look, can't hurt and you can shoot some loads in the 3600 fps. Good Luck
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Old 11-04-2002, 05:00 PM
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Booger,
Whether it worth the cost or not only you can make that desion. You will need to buy new dies and you will never get back the money you put in it when you sell the gun. You will get acuople of 100`s extra fps. Only you can make up your mind if it`s worth it or not. If you do it you will end up with an extra 10 to 20 yrds. of max. point blank range. All the garabage about longer case life don`t reall mean much because the extra you pay for the dies will get you acouple of hundred pieces of brass. I shot wildcat because I like to play with gun, not just shot one once in a while.
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Old 11-18-2002, 10:49 AM
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250 Sav AI

Dear Booger- One thing you will definitely improve on with the "AI" is case life. This is a good thing as the cases are a bit hard to find sometimes. I get around 3200fps with my AI on an old 600 I built in `79. Accuracy is great, well under an inch. It has chosen the old Nosler Solid Base 100s as its "pet" bullet. Luckily, I have enough to last me the rest of my life when you only shoot 15-20 per year. Like Rocky, I also built a .25 Souper. What a rifle!![I build about 3-5 Soupers and a few of the 250 AIs every year.]Shoots a little faster than the 25 Sav AI but brass is easy and cheap. It`s built on a Rem 7 and its accuracy is great too, especially with the 100 Hornadys and 4350. You`ll love the 250 Sav AI and I would recommend either it or the Souper. I hate to say it, but I like them both a bit better than my 25-06 in terms of "handiness" and weight. Aloha, Mark[in Or]
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Old 11-18-2002, 05:23 PM
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The reason I built the Souper was because I couldn't find a bolt 250 after almost ten years of looking.

If I had a 250 right now, I'd leave it stock. But that's because I have the Souper already. The 250 AI is a superb cartridge. After you get the loading dies, there is no other expense other than cases, and you can still fire factory 250 ammo in it (if it's chambered correctly). Midway carries 250 brass, and Winchester still makes an annual run of the stuff. One order of 500 cases should last a lifetime or two.

Stock or AI? The decision comes down to the dies in my mind. If you can get a set at reasonable cost, then go for it.
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Old 11-24-2002, 11:20 AM
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If you decide to go with a change--Be sure to check with Sharp Shooter Supply----they are Savage specialists and only work on savage guns e-mail----- sshooter@wcoil.com---- no web site they are located at Delphos OH---phone 419--695--3179 they do it all and will send you a brochure with prices
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