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Old 05-06-2003, 09:30 PM
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Question 30-30 big game?

Hi guys/gals,

I know that the 30-30 is a very popular calibre over there in the US, anybody use them to hunt big game?

Here in Australia i dont know many people who use them and i would like a little more info, ie..ammo, scope etc
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Old 05-06-2003, 10:01 PM
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The first Elk I ever shot was with a .30-30. So was the first Moose. I still use a little .30-30 for hunting deer when they head into the heavy timber not so much for the calibre but rather because I own a very sweet little carbine chambered in .30WCF (,30-30) that is easy to carry one-handed in the bush.

Do I advocate the use of the .30-30 for heavy game like moose and elk? No, not unless the shooter is willing to pass up ALL shots at more than 75 yards or so. Inside of that however they are as deadly as the heaviest magnum. Shot placement IS everything when hunting.
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Old 05-06-2003, 11:15 PM
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This caliber has killed more deer here in the states than anything else (with the exception of the 30-06). When used within its limitations, it will do the job every time. Keep your shots close, and you'll be happy with the results.

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Old 05-07-2003, 10:02 AM
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The 30-30 will likely live forever, if for no other reason than pure nostalgia. It was the first sporting cartridge designed exclusively for smokeless (the 7X57 Mauser was THE first, but it was military).

The ammo companies have had over a century to perfect this round, and they've also had the incentive to do that, because they've sold a gazillion rounds of it. The bullets now loaded in the 30-30 are as perfect for that cartridge as can be imagined. They expand every single time, penetrate well, and virtually never fail in any way. The only limitation on the cartridge is its range/trajectory and relatively mild energy levels. But within its range (which was never intended to be more than 150 yards) it's a wonderful round.

I recently bought my very first 30-30, but it isn't a lever action. I came across a Savage 340 bolt rifle at a gun show, and snapped it up. I intend to shoot nothing but cast bullets through it as a plinker and fun gun.

On the topic of bigger game than deer, if I wanted to use a 30-30, the first bullet I'd consider would be the Barnes X bullet made just for the 30-30. Second choice would be the Starfire bullet loaded in factory ammo by PMC.
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Old 05-08-2003, 08:28 AM
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Everything said so far matches my thinking, but I want to add a thought. My first rifle was a .30-30. It worked on everything I shot with it. I seldom use it any more.

The reason I stopped using it much was the necessity that gd357 mentioned of staying "within its limitations". The .30-30 is a "specialized" cartridge due to its limitations. If you are willing to limit your own shooting to the limits of this old round, you will, of course, find it to work well. But why do you want to impose those limits on yourself?

Many people enjoy limiting themselves. Bow hunters, for example, accept very serious self imposed limits, and argue that the experience is better because of those limits. Before you get a .30-30, be sure you understand and accept the limitations it presents. One of the most unethical things a hunter can do is attempt to use a rifle/cartridge combination to do something that will very likely result in wounded, escaping game of any type.
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Old 05-08-2003, 09:33 AM
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Ditto -- my thots also. I would limit game size to average whitetail deer only at out to 100 yards. You owe it to the animal. The thutty thutty is a tremendous whitetail woods rifle, if you want more than that get an '06, Waidmannsheil, Dom.
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Old 05-08-2003, 01:34 PM
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Rocky. I thought the French 8mm Lebel was the first smokeless powder round? Also military. Believe it also used a solid copper or bronze bullet. Way way ahead of Barnes X. I think they later went to a more conventional style bullet.
back to the thread though, I love the old 30-30. Like you, I prefer shooting cast bullets with mine. Speaking of bolt action 30-30s, I found a Winchester Model 54 at a gun show. Outside condition is barely considered fair but the bore is totally mint. Shoots cast bullets very nicely. I only have one Marlin that does nicely with cast. Several 94s and 64s are on the list for cast as well. Used within reason, they take deer with cast just as well as jacketed bullets.
Here's a short 30-30 story you might find amusing, although it could've turned out very badly.
About 18 years ago, my wife and I were camped out in the coconino national Forest on a deer hunt. For some silly reason, my Ruger 77 in .308 Win. and my Ruger Super Blackhawk were locked in my pick up turck, but I had a new 30-30 win. Model 94 in the tent with us. About 2 in the morning I hear this banging and crashing outside the tent. I stick my head outside and here is a black bear trying to get into the food box. I jack a round into the Winchester and switch it to my left hand, pick up a rock and hit Brer Bear in the butt with it hollering like hell for him to get the (expletives deleted) out of there. Well, the bear takes off. My wife is nervous because of the bear, so in thet beautifully bright moonlit night, we break camp and head for a motel in nearby Winslow, and then home the next day.
A few months later, this friend wants to buy that 30-30 so we take it out for him to try it out. He goes to shoot and "click." Tries again, and "click." bad ammo? No. There's no sign of a firing pin indent on the primers. Broken firing pin. replace pin and the gun's just fine. he didn't buy it and I still have it. Yes, it did shoot just fine when I sighted it in. Good thing I did not have to try and shoot that bear. Lever action clubs are not too effective, so I hear.
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Old 05-08-2003, 02:51 PM
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I have three 94s, all in 30-30 and really like them. My favorite is a Black Shadow with a refurbished Weaver 3x. That rifle will shoot an honest one inch three shot group every time with factory 170 Silver Tips at 100 yds. if I do my part. I have taken a truck load of deer with that combination and never had a problem. The little rifle is so light and handy I rarely carry anything else into the woods anymore.
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Old 05-08-2003, 06:21 PM
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PJ, most Marlins don't handle cast bullets well due to the Micro-Groove rifling. (Some current Marlin levers have cut rifling specifically so they can shoot cast bullets - Cowboy models in particular)

But any rifle with standard rifling SHOULD be able to shoot cast bullets well. I'm having a deuce of a time getting my 340 to group them, but the fun is in the experimentation!
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Old 05-08-2003, 08:55 PM
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well we all agree

we all agree on the respect of the 30-30. I plan to add one to my gun cabinet within the next two weeks. I live in northern Illinios where we can't use a rifle for deer but I want an old 30-30 due to the fact that the 30-30 won the west and continued on to harvesting more game than probly any other cartrige since. Thats why you'll see a Win. 94 in my cabinet soon, very soon!
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Old 05-09-2003, 05:51 AM
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Rem -- the Trapper model would fit very nicely in your gun cabinet . . . not to mention a model that fits anywhere, goes anywhere, is easy to carry, economical, and has the nostalgia to boot!!
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Old 05-11-2003, 08:22 AM
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Smile 30-30 limeted by action strength

Hi All,

Now the 30-30 is only limited by the action strength of the rifles it is chambered in, which of course is mainly lever actions. In a good bolt action there is no reason to limit the cartridge like this and in fact it can safely be loaded to within about 150 fps of the same weight bullets in the 308 Win.

My 30-30 is a bespoke (custom) made bolt action and I am working woth load data from a Petersen rifle Shooter magazine on souping up the old 30-30. I am getting near 2800 fps with 130 grn spitzers using H335 and accuracy is outstanding with three shot groups from the bench at 5/8" . I only wish that the guy who had this made had specified that they make the magazine longer to allow the heavier spitzers be loaded to take advantage of them, but it was built around Winchester Factory 170 ST ammo and the action is built totally around this size which is why I tried the 125-130 spitzers in the first place, 150 and 165 spitzers ahve to be loaded so deeply into the neck that it's not really possible to use them. I have ordered some Hornady 150 grn RN to try in it, thpough the 130 Hornady has worked fine so far on the Deer that i have taken with it. I did use some Sierra 150 Flat Points meant for the 30-30 but they are not common in the dealers here as the 30-30 is not a popular cartridge over here, Pity as loaded like I am doing it has a lot going for it.

Take a look at the pictures at:-

http://www.PictureTrail.com/gid1350773
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Old 05-11-2003, 08:50 AM
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30-30AI is a 30-30 with the Ackley improvement it brings it up close to .308 ballistics. It was a popular thing to do years ago.

I saw a guy at the range shoot MOA with one in a Savage Model 99.

An interesting thing to look into, and discuss with your gunsmith.

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Old 05-11-2003, 11:06 PM
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Brithunter, I have been using a Savage bolt action .30-30 and have found the Winchester 150g pointed power point works very well. It is a little blunter than most 150g psp's, and fits the shorter mag better. Using H335, I have used 36g and still had room for a few grains more.
The deer in the pic fell to that bullet pushed by 36g of IMR 4064, at 150 yards.
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Old 05-12-2003, 01:41 AM
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Hi Hawk,

Unfortunately the Winchester bullets are not available to my knowledge here in the UK I have seen an advert for some 180 Grn Silver Tips but that's the only Winchester bullet for reloaders I have seen postage is a major problem on expanding bullets here due to stupidity of the law but I will amke some enquiries and see waht I can come up with. Thank you for the information
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