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Old 01-05-2004, 11:29 AM
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Reduced 300 WSM loads

I'm thinking of getting a new rifle in 300 WSM. A .308 is all I really need (e.g. for deer), but I figure a 300 WSM is more versatile (in case I ever get to hunt elk or bigger). For deer hunting, I'd like the option of using reduced 300 WSM loads on par with standard .308 loads. Of course, I don't want to sacrifice any accuracy.

I am aware of the use Blue Dot for reduced loads, but I'm not too sure I can reach .308 performance with Blue Dot. I can always use reduced charges of more "traditional" powders, but am concerned accuracy might suffer from low load densities.

What do you guys think?
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Old 01-05-2004, 01:03 PM
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I seem to recall that Hodgen has reduced loads for several calibers on thier web-site. The 300 WSM should be there by now.
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Old 01-05-2004, 02:01 PM
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Reduced loads in a 300 WSM?

Isn't that a paradox? Why get such a powerful cartridge if you want to shoot something less powerful?

Or get a deer rifle for now and an elk rifle for later.
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Old 01-05-2004, 03:54 PM
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Old 01-05-2004, 04:09 PM
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I think MarkL has some good reasoning there.

A 308-level load would be an excellent idea for the 300 WSM. As mentione, it's all you'd ever need for deer. And if you wanted or needed an elk load, the capacity is there to put the pedal down.

However, Blue Dot is NOT the way to go in this quest. I'd look at H4895 as the powder of choice here. It can safely and efficiently be reduced to as low as 60% of full-power and still perform well.

Try this: The Hornady #3031 150-gr bullet, standard primer, and 42.0 of H4895. That should get you about 2500 fps. If you have a chronograph, work up from there until you get 2750 - 2800 fps. I predict that'll be at around 46.0 grains.

Let us know how it goes.
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Old 01-05-2004, 05:18 PM
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I've used a number of reduced loads in 300 Wby, 338 WMag and 416 RMag (as well as a number of non-magnum calibers) that employed one of the 4895's (it works with the 4064's, 4320 and RL15, too), at 60% - 70% of the max listed load, as Rocky mentions. Part of the fun of loading is working on new, different, combo's, I think.

The results can be amazing sometimes. I remember reading a Ken Waters "Pet Loads" article where he mentioned using 40 or 45 IMR 4064, if memory serves, with 175 Hornadies in 7 RMag, getting tiny little groups and around 2400 or so FPS (just like the 7x57), so, I had to try it. He was right. Teeny little groups, and minimal recoil, blast, etc.. A lot of fun to shoot.

I do use a light crimp, and either WLR, which is a pretty 'hot' standard primer, or WLRM, F215 or GM215M primers, just to be sure of adequate ignition; there's a LOT of air space in a 416 RMag case when it only has 45 or 50 grains of 4895 in there!!

Kinda' on topic, I guess - a poster at another forum was wondering about reduced recoil loads for a 260 Rem (although the 260's recoil seems pretty low to me already), and we got on the subject of lower than normal charges of 4895, so, I put some testers together with 20, 25 and 30 grains, using 120 B-Tips. My wobbly BR technique didn't help matters much, but, I did a number of groups WELL under 1" with a sporter weight Mtn Rifle, almost non-existant recoil and velocity (2,200 - 2,600 'ish) sufficient to take any deer out there.

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Old 01-05-2004, 10:04 PM
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Thanks for the input, guys!

Rocky, would Blue Dot be OK for plinking/target loads in the 300 WSM? Is there some rule of thumb for starting loads with BD (e.g. X% loading density)?
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Old 01-06-2004, 09:48 AM
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My favorite practice load is 13.0 of Red or Green Dot.

You can load 13.0 of Red Dot in ANY rifle case 308 or larger, of ANY caliber 30 or larger, with ANY normal bullet for that case, jacketed or lead. Honest. It's kind of a universal load.

Blue Dot is notably slower than Red Dot, so you'd be safe at that same 13.0 level, or perhaps as much as 15.0. But I haven't experimented much with Blue Dot except in my series of Hornet/Bee loads in 22 centerfire. The smaller bore is a different animal, so my results can't be extrapolated into a larger bore.
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Old 01-06-2004, 03:18 PM
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Why not just get a 308? At one time the 308 might have been marginal for elk, but not anymore. The new bullets have changed all the old concepts. However, if your the type that would take a shot over 350 yards you might best be served with one of the new (get you to buy another rifle) super-duper calibers. My wife has killed six elk with a 257 Roberts loaded with Nos-Part. Anyway, good luck.
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Old 01-08-2004, 09:49 PM
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Mark,

You can find lead bullet data in Lyman 48th for the 300WSM and for the slow type loads you want , you may need to look into getting XMR5744 or SR4759 which have data for any big rifle caliber with these. I sure wouldn't try BlueDot. I would try 4895 or maybe 4198 or RL-7 maybe. BM
 

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