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[gumpokc]

They are not bad pistols, but they are not designed for heavy usage.

If you just want one to shoot a few times a year, or as a "dresser-queen" they would probably be fine, but they won't holdup to heavy usage.

their 9mm carbine looks decent, and i know people who have run quite abit through them.

that's just my opinions from talkign to peopel who have them, i do not personally own one or have used one.