Finally!!!

[Wolfwoman]

I love a good wolf debate and hope it can stay civil!!

I guess I'm not making myself too clear on what I'm saying, not that THAT hasn't happened before I wasn't leaving the Native Americans out of it, they are humans too and screwed things up just as well as the rest of humanity.

(side note - my forfathers didn't have nuttin to do with what happened here, my gramma came over here from Poland when she was 16! )

I do use furs and make things from fur, but I don't kill off every single furbearer in my state that I use - that would kinda put me outta busisness... that's what happened with wolves and bison many years ago, there was a bounty on wolves and they were wiped out because back then we were too stupid to know what management was.

NOW they want to (or they have) put the wolves back but they don't have enough sense to know how to do it without a population explosion and THEN there comes a hunting season and everyone wants to kill em all off again. It's a vicious cycle with no middle ground and NO ONE wins.

I never said outsiders should manage your state, but now that the wolf has already been reintroduced, is your state going to manage or wipe them out again? Yes everyone has an impact on nature (well not everyone) but it's HOW they impact it that counts. If you want to hunt and trap an animal every year and there are only (for example) twenty of them in your area and you kill 18 of them, do you think you will be able to hunt/trap them the following year?

Let me ask this, there were wolves where you are before there were men and the cycle of nature did pretty well by itself. Why can't some resemblance of the balance be restored (you've already GOT the wolves, right?) and some of you make some money off trapping wolves and selling the fur and skulls?

My biggest issue is with man playing God and trying to determine which species of animal should become extinct.

[skeet]

And I doubt if you really want to. Humans (as you call us) already played God if you want to call what we did with the bison and other critters playing god. I really don't look at it the way you do. We were given dominion over the earth by Him. At least that is what I understand from the bible. OK so we as humans screwed it up..ok..so now we have a bunch of people screwing it up again. Just because we have people, such as you seem to be, feeling bad about what was done in the past these same people think they should intervene again. Do I want to see wolves erased from the earth??..of course not! Did we need them reintroduced..really the answer is no. There were already wolves here. But the do gooders just had to do their good deeds(which they lied about from day one) in someone elses back yard. Now that the problem has gotten into a runaway train type of thing. They will not let the people that live here fix the problem. Do the locals want to wipe the wolves out? No of course not. But the local people have had no say and are not allowed to even protect their own property from a problem created by the same outsiders.. They started out wanting 100 breeding pairs in the Yellowstone eco-system. Even at the lowest estimate they feel there are more than 500. That is WWWAAAAYYYY too many in this small an area. I live more than 80 miles from the Yellowstone area. Between the wolves Grizzlies and weather the elk in the area are hurting. Hunting seasons and limits are way down. Calling an elk in the area is like ringing a dinner bell for the wolves...and a shot draws a grizz...and the moose in many areas are almost gone completely. This isn't just about hunting. In an area as vast as Alaska..natural predation will work...but when you have an area populated as it is with ranches cows and sheep the decision to turn wolves into this small an area was at best stupid...at the worst near criminal. BTW even if you don't think so...this decimation of wolves and other things happened in Europe(even by your ancestrors in Poland) centuries ago.. What do you expect of people?? The people that live here just expect to be able to run their own state without interference from tree huggers from Calipornia...or Maryland...and especially Washington. They weren't able to kill all the wolves before...and they won't be able to now.