"Locked and Cocked" is not ok with Mike!

[Dutchman01]

Originally Posted by Adam Helmer

Dutchman01 and popplecop,

There have been many accidental discharges with the Glocks and it was mostly operator error. One agent shot himself in the right butt cheek on the rapid fire stage, that is 12 rounds in 30 seconds. It seems he got a grip on the holstered gun's trigger and fired it while still holstered. Another agent took off a toe because his finger was on the Glock trigger as he was holstering his gun-thus pulling the trigger.

I always wore my Second Chance vest when instructing agents on the firing line.

Adam

This is what I've been hearing for quite some time. I'm just wondering just how dangerous is cocked and locked compared with glocks. It may be something no one can answer satisfactorily.



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Gun maker Glock frequently sued over safety;
Model of deputy’s sidearm that killed driver in accidental shooting has detractors and defenders

By Marc Dadigan staff writer

November 9, 2003


INDIAN RIVER COUNTY -- The manufacturer of the handgun a St. Lucie County sheriff's deputy used in an accidental fatal shooting of a 35-year-old man Oct. 10 is one of the gun companies most commonly sued for product liability, according to a Washington, D.C. watchdog group.

The .40-caliber, semiautomatic Glock 22, manufactured by Georgia-based Glock Inc., has been named in at least 50 lawsuits in the past eight years, said Josh Horwitz, acting director of the non-profit Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence.

"There lawsuits are for a variety of defects. We think it's a dangerous design, but it's a gun that's become ubiquitous in law enforcement," Horwitz said.

A 1999 Washington Post article reported Glocks were being used by half of all law-enforcement agencies in the United States. Officials extol the superiority of the weapon because of its power, light weight and accuracy. However, critics claim the Glock handguns have a hair trigger that leads to accidental discharges and lament its lack of external safeties.

The Indian River County sheriff's deputies traded in their revolvers for .45-caliber Glock 21's more than a year ago, and Sheriff Roy Raymond has continued to trumpet their praises.

"If you fire a Glock, every shot has the same trigger [pressure] from the first shot to the last shot," he said. "I've bought one personally, and I don't see any downside to the Glocks."

Earlier this month, St. Lucie County Deputy Ronald Stickney accidentally shot and killed Nathan Tompkins with his .40-caliber Glock 22 as he was trying to remove Tompkins from his vehicle. Stickney had pursued Tompkins on U.S. 1 for a few minutes before Tompkins pulled over in Indian River County.

St. Lucie County sheriff's officials aren't commenting on the case until they complete an administrative review.

Safety features

Holden Kriss, range manager for the Indian River County Shooting Range in Sebastian, said the lack of the external safety for the Glocks is offset by three internal safeties. A safety attached to the trigger of the Glock makes it impossible to be accidentally fired if dropped.

"It's a very safe gun, a very high-quality gun," he said. "I haven't encountered any problems with it in more than 20 years of running ranges." .......