Bush/Obama I am getting pissed.

[skeet]

Actually the view part is what caused the verbal assault. People are very verbal about their politics and religions JL. You know that.. When we say to someone something that opposes their point of view and we are very passionate about it..that is what you get..Politically correct I'm not..Just to the right of ol Attilla the HUN.. but if you say to me I'm going to vote for Obama..Or Hillary or Ol Al Gore..and I am passionately opposed to them... I will ask you why. I won't call you an %*($#&^$#^%$@#*^&&until I here your reasons..and if they aren't well thought out..I may just point that out to you.. Personally I feel that anyone who voted for any of the idiots we have running the country today..surely didn't look at the root causes of all the troubles this country has.. I personally thought the Iraq thing was called for..The Afghanistan part of it..not really. Heck the English couldn't fix it..the Russians couldn't so why do we think we have to. Being right there next to ol Attilla I feel we know who supports the terrorists in the world..Those are the ones who should be gone..as in GONE! Wether it be a guy on the street in Kabul or the king of an Arab country..If they support terrorism.. Gone..and we can do that. If we really let 'em know..REALLY..the problem will resolve itself..No it ain't easy..it won't be easy..But if you let the terrorists KNOW that if they persist..you will seriously kill them, their families and their friends..they will think twice. Wouldn't you? They have no consideration for the people they kill..but when the birds come home to roost!!?? What then? No that does not make us nice guys..Nice guys sometimes do finish last

Now a really good question..Do you think you did good helping to get the powers that be elected?? Do you feel like that ((*^%^$(^%(**(Idiot your BIL called you?? I've felt like an idiot too many times to not say it hasn't happened to me..And if we live long 'nuff..It'll happen again. Hopefully not on such a large scale though. What we have now is changing our country and pushing us all in a direction I surely don't want to go.

[jon lynn]

Skeet,

I truly did not think that John McCain would have done better, at the time. I truly thought Obama's economic education would be a plus. I really did not realize he had the Clinton view of "Let's go European."

But if you would have asked me if Obama would have bailed out millionaires from the banks, before the fact, I would have said no. I would not have expected any person to do so.

I do agree with the American car bailout though. The thought of Ford and Chevrolet going under really put a bad taste in my mouth. But only one hit, and so many misses, he's out of my line up.

But I did drop the ball on the border issue. I say we pull a Pink Floyd and build a wall. I really did not think he would weenie out on the now non existent border.

And no matter who was in, is in, or will be in the Oval Office, needs to tell El Presedente of Meh-he-co where to put that jalapeno!

I wish the Congress and Senate had term limits too. A Representative who has been in the Congress or Senate forever is worthless. I have NEVER ever heard about anything Ted Kennedy had ever done, except live off the image of two dead brothers.

[fabsroman]

Originally Posted by jon lynn

Skeet,

I truly did not think that John McCain would have done better, at the time. I truly thought Obama's economic education would be a plus. I really did not realize he had the Clinton view of "Let's go European."

But if you would have asked me if Obama would have bailed out millionaires from the banks, before the fact, I would have said no. I would not have expected any person to do so.

I do agree with the American car bailout though. The thought of Ford and Chevrolet going under really put a bad taste in my mouth. But only one hit, and so many misses, he's out of my line up.

But I did drop the ball on the border issue. I say we pull a Pink Floyd and build a wall. I really did not think he would weenie out on the now non existent border.

And no matter who was in, is in, or will be in the Oval Office, needs to tell El Presedente of Meh-he-co where to put that jalapeno!

I wish the Congress and Senate had term limits too. A Representative who has been in the Congress or Senate forever is worthless. I have NEVER ever heard about anything Ted Kennedy had ever done, except live off the image of two dead brothers.

Obama's reasoning for not doing anything about the border is to try and pressure the Republicans into agreeing to some type of common sense immigration reform. Yeah, I agree that we have legislation in place that says who is and is not illegal. The problem is that it just might not make sense anymore. I would love to see them try something, anything. A compromise to make those good people currently here illegally, legal, and the building of a wall, mote, fence, etc. at the same time. Just get it done for Christ;s sake and move onto other issues like making Medicare and Social Security solvent. I think illegal immigration has been an issue for 10+ years.

How about foreign oil. That has been an issue since Richard Nixon (i.e., before I was born). How freaking hard is it to get us off of foreign oil?

[Ol` Joe]

Bush offered a one time amnesty back in 2006 that was supposed to be followed with better border control. We all see how well that worked.
I would not give a single illegal citizenship, ever, if I had my say. They come into the country illegally they are forever illegals, and not eligible for citizenship. Their kids too.

[fabsroman]

Originally Posted by Ol` Joe

Bush offered a one time amnesty back in 2006 that was supposed to be followed with better border control. We all see how well that worked.
I would not give a single illegal citizenship, ever, if I had my say. They come into the country illegally they are forever illegals, and not eligible for citizenship. Their kids too.

I didn't know about the Bush amnesty program. I know it was a proposal, but was it actually passed? I think it was still be debating in 2007 among the US Senate. Did it actually pass. If I had to guess, I would say NOPE. I cannot believe that I would have actually missed the passing of this legislation.

Do you have a link to show me that there was actually an amnesty program in place in 2006? If there were, I am pretty sure I would have heard about it and that I would have had a client or two that would have taken advantage of it.

[Ol` Joe]

Originally Posted by fabsroman

I didn't know about the Bush amnesty program. I know it was a proposal, but was it actually passed? I think it was still be debating in 2007 among the US Senate. Did it actually pass. If I had to guess, I would say NOPE. I cannot believe that I would have actually missed the passing of this legislation.

Do you have a link to show me that there was actually an amnesty program in place in 2006? If there were, I am pretty sure I would have heard about it and that I would have had a client or two that would have taken advantage of it.

Ya know I just double check, and it was never voted on. I was sure I`d heard somewhere it was.
I`m sorry for any false info I passed by carelessness on my part. thanks for the catch.

[fabsroman]

Originally Posted by Ol` Joe

Ya know I just double check, and it was never voted on. I was sure I`d heard somewhere it was.
I`m sorry for any false info I passed by carelessness on my part. thanks for the catch.

No problem. I don't always get everything right either. I just think ALL of us need to be as informed about stuff as possible before we start making opinions on things.

For instance, I had a couple in here one day that thought any poor person qualified for Medicaid. I had to tell them that the person had to either be 18 or younger and born to poor parent(s) or 65 or over and have less than $2,500. Of course, there are about 10 exceptions for people between the age of 18 and a day to 65 less a day, but those 10 exceptions are pretty stringent (e.g., people with Lou Gehrig's disease). People with Parkinsons don't even qualify for Medicaid.

Anyway, about the only way this nation is going to continue on with its greatness is if people stop spending tons of time in front of the TV, video games, etc., and actually get interested in knowledge. Then, we might actually be able to do something at the voting booth.

Glad to hear you went back and checked it out.