Some gun clubs will not allow silhouette targets!

[skeet]

Adam the waiver didn't prevent her from suing. It may have prevented her from trying..Did she hire a lawyer?? or was the threat of the waiver a deciding factor in her decision on whether or not to sue?? Waivers are just that..a prevention..but as you know most things like that can be broken..with enough time and money. That is why we have lawyers

Now as to stupid folks...oh they are the general public..the general public is very stupid. I dealt with them on a daily basis. Adam..we all do stupid things..even you and me(well maybe not me LOL). Most asccidents are caused by doing stupid things. How many times have you seen women doing their makeup..men reading the paper etc etc while driving?? The general public does stupid things constantly. We cannot get away from stupid and that is why group punishment is imposed. One day either you or I may do a brain dead thing..and if you say you've never done one.. BS I say...LOL..you may not have ever gotten hurt or caught but you've done 'em. We all have

[Mr. 16 gauge]

Remove guns from mopes, but do not impose Group Punishment for acts committed by brain-dead mopes.

Adam...how do you remove a gun from a mope? Last time I saw, there is no law against people being stupid, unless they do something criminal with it. Of course, every time I bring up having some kind of 'test' before allowing someone a hunting license or gun, I get lambasted for 'curtailing freedom', get accused of being a "tree hugger', ect.
From where I sit, I think you are rather fortunate in that you can pick and chose who you will train and let shoot on your private range; that's a luxury that most folks running a range as a business cannot afford....he must take all comers, or go broke in the process. And he really doesn't have that much to go on to tell him whether or not this individual is a total doofus our reasonably safe and intelligent.

If he cuts off his leg with a chain saw, will Stihl be LIABLE?

Was Winchester liable? Apparently, they were....court says so! That's why they had to pay out millions of dollars and now put those stupid safeties on lever actions (all have 'em now). You and I both know that it's not right or just or fair.....it's just THE LAW. And I can almost guarantee you that if someone here in MI cut his leg off with a Stihl, they would be sued.....and Stihl would probably loose. That's what's wrong with our society today.....we have for too long allowed people to blame their stupidity on things other than, well.....their stupidity.

Gun clubs should be anxious to accomodate CCW folks rather than say "No holster draw because a mope shot the range ceiling!"

Yes, they should......but they don't.....and that's a shame.

As for "Idiots," those bullet holes in the indoor range ceiling you mentioned in a prior post were NOT due to holsters of any type! I suggest it was due to improper training BEFORE the mopes went to "Live Fire."

Never thought to imply that it was.....and I agree that it was a novice that probably watched too much TV. Seen too many 'gangsta' idiots shooting their guns sideways at one local range.....I don't go there anymore.