Hunt Chat  

Go Back   Hunt Chat > Tools of the Trade > Rifles

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12-06-2006, 09:17 PM
Baylian Baylian is offline
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Utah
Posts: 93
Cool .223 vs. .17 HMR

I was thinking of getting a varmint/predator hunting rig and most of you are split between the .22-250 and .223. If I got a .243 for the really long stuff, would a .223 or a .17 HMR be better for the under 200 yard stuff? The .223 has an MPBR of around 230 yards. The .17 HMR has an MPBR of around 165 yards. Would the 65 yard difference in MPBR make a difference? The .17 would be cheaper to shoot. I don't really want to be throwing high cost ammo at prairie dogs or coons.

Thank you, TJ
__________________
It is not our abilities that tell us who we are, it is our choices.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 12-06-2006, 11:04 PM
gd357 gd357 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Back in the Midwest!
Posts: 2,152
IF you're doing a lot of shooting around 200, get the .223. Because it's a military round, you can get plenty of ammo for very reasonable prices, a lot less than other CF rounds. Also the .223 has a lot more pop when stretching out around 200 yards. JMHO

gd
__________________
We hunt, not only because we want to, but because at our basest levels we must.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-06-2006, 11:05 PM
Catfish Catfish is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Oh.
Posts: 3,777
Get a .223 and load your own ammo and it will be cheaper to shoot than the HMR and you have the extra range. By the way you read it wrong. The MPBR is 270 yrds. with a 230 yrd. zero. The HMR isn`t even close.
__________________
Catfish
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-07-2006, 12:11 AM
Andy L Andy L is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Eldon Mo
Posts: 1,960
There is no comparison. Thats like comparing a F250 Powerstroke to a Volkswagon Bug.

HMRs are good for nothing but rabbit size game and smaller. I dont care how much flack I catch for saying this either. Anyone who points a HMR at a predator is nothing short of irresponsible. I dont care how much you preach headshots, ect.... Its total BS. They just wont do the job humanely, consistantly and you will have alot of crippled and deformed animals as a result.

Get the 223. It will do a fine job from 1 yard to 300 yards. Cleanly. If you do your part of shooting straight.

The HMR is a fun gun to shoot and very accurate. But IMO, its the biggest mistake and thing of myth put out by the gun industry ever. People want it to be something that it isnt. Its a rat gun. Period.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 12-07-2006, 12:18 AM
Andy L Andy L is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Eldon Mo
Posts: 1,960
Oh, and dont expect much out of it as a coon gun either. I know a fella that is a big time coon hunter and says when he tried it, he ended up with jaws blown off, splashes on skulls and damaged hides. Several had to be shot with a 22lr after being knocked out by the HMR. They arent suited.

If you must shoot a coon with one, treat it like a coyote. Shoot it behind the shoulder, thru the ribcage. If you get lucky enough not to hit a rib bone, it might make jelly out of the heart and lungs and kill it eventually.

My little bit of first hand experience with HMR was not impressive. In September, I went prarie doggin. One of the fellas brought a hummer. It was a blast to shoot. We were knockin their heads off at ranges up to 150 yards. I shot one at 50 yards and hit it in the shoulder. It splashed. Splashed on a PD shoulder. Blew a big entry hole and DIDNT KILL the PD!! That should tell you enough. As fragile as those little things are, if a bullet actually splashes even once on a body shot, its not suited for coons, coyotes, bobcats or anything else of any size.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12-07-2006, 01:22 PM
Rocky Raab's Avatar
Rocky Raab Rocky Raab is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Ogden, Utah
Posts: 9,590
Could not agree more. Read Andy's post again, then buy a .223.
__________________
Freedom of the Press
Does NOT mean the right to lie!

Visit me at my Reloading Room webpage!

Get signed copies of my Vietnam novels at "Baggy Zero Four" "Mike Five Eight"
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-07-2006, 10:02 PM
Baylian Baylian is offline
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Utah
Posts: 93
Cool Thank you

Thanks for all the replies. How about the .223 vs the .22-250? The .22-250 has about a 25 yard advantage in MPBR. The places where I can buy ammo, because I don't reload, the .223 is only a buck or 2 cheaper (if at all cheaper, sometimes they are priced the same) than the .22-250. The .22-250 shoots very flat compared to the .223 as well.

Good hunting, TJ
__________________
It is not our abilities that tell us who we are, it is our choices.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:07 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.