Winners & Losers

[skeet]

Originally Posted by fabsroman

Skeet,

Things were a lot different 100 years ago when you and Popplecop were born. LOL Back in the days, there were no laws about non-toxic shot, there were a lot less cars on the roads and 40,000+ people a year didn't die in auto accidents, they didn't even make bicycle helmets back then, car seats for kids were pretty much non-existent, and plastic had yet to be invented.

A .30-30 is still a great rifle for those closer shots and hunting in the brush, but it does not cut it when hunting over a wide open bean field.

You know Fabs..way back when I was a kid 40,000 people died from auto accidents a year..or thereabouts..Nontoxic shot was out there..It was tested way back in 1957. The testing done to promulgate nontoxic was flawed when it was done and created a flawed "need" for same.. Oh and plastic was around..Remember the AA shell??1963 car seates were in use and seat belts for cars was mandatory in 1967 or before..Available clear back as far as the 40's in fact. The only thing that made them mandatory was blithering idiots who created a "need" for the common good. Yep..kids got hurt on bicycles..in cars or even (horrors) in the back of pickups.. People are usually hurt because of stupidity and a seat belt bicycle helmet or airbag just won't necessarily save their lives....There have been too many laws passed to protect us from ourselves. Remember he old saw..Here..hold my beer..watch this!!

As far as the new calibers..new rifles new shotguns....Fabs..we as a group of hunters really don't NEED a Super Duper 3 1/2 inch 12 ga..Most ducks doves geese quail etc etc will be dispatched just as well with the ol 2 3/4 inch 1 1/4 oz or less loads that were standard for scores of years. The 30-30 is just fine for 95% of deer hunting in the US. Hunting isn't necessarily bean field shooting...in fact really isn't hunting..it is waitng to have a deer come out so it can be dispatched..No I ain't a tree hugger..but most of the "hunting" now days isn't really hunting as per the actual meaning of the word. I have done it that way too...but I really liked sneakin through the woods on as equal terms with the deer as possible. As far as technology..you answered your own query..the technology of shooting has gone avbout as far as possible with the use of hundred year old designs of firearms..cartidge containers and pressures that can be handled safely..as you said..even in bikes..how much faarther can you go. The law of diminishing returns rears it's ugly maw..again. Look at the new compound bows.. Have nothing against 'em but they really aren't BOWS in the common term..To be really honest..about half the people who are fairly sucessful hunters with compounds probably wouldn't be half as succesful with a real recurve or longbow. Technology shouldn't take the place of the skill needed to hunt