Winners & Losers

[fabsroman]

Originally Posted by skeet

Fabs like most of the younger generation you have the idea that if it wasn't invented in the last few years it isn't very usable.
I lived in the outdoors summer and winter..I didn't have any of these new wowsie fabrics. ya ever hear of down..or wool? ..My guns had stocks...Walnut..didn't need plastic.. Had paper shells..worked fine.. the new technology of hunting for the most part is unnecessary. People made out just fine. Without all this new technology we would as hunters be fine. Like most "new" things like the great cell phones..they create their own problems..from kids having them at age 7 in schools..not such a hot idea to people driving the beltways in your area at 75 MPH talkin on the phone and fixing their eye shadow..sheesh. . We made out fine for a few centuries without 'em. The bad thing is that if we had a breakdown in the technology today..so many people would be lost in space it isn't funny. Half the people in the Washington Metro area would go wild with out the technology we have..And Fabs..as far as the statement about people shooting the deer in your neighborhood...C'mon man, use some common sense. Even if it were legal and you were the hunter the police would be in the area in minutes. Would you worry about someone else's kids..Of course not because you know you are a safe person. You presuppose all your neighbors are not. One of the reasons I moved from the ES was my new (ex-Baltimore) neighbor called the cops when she heard gunfire in the area. I was shooting blackbirds on the farm. I didn't call the police when they were shooting off fireworks(not legal in Md) at 0 dark 30. I was perfectly legal but dealing with the police is NOT my favorite thing to do. Social engineering is not the cause for better things through big government. It is what causes so much loss of personal rights in the name of.... For the Common Good. It's usually not for any kind of good....just another form of control. It used to be legal to hunt in your area...Is it now? If it is...are you against it..in the name of safety? Are you a safe hunter? Why isn't someone else?? Just because of where I live..doesn't change the need for common sense and some of the laws in place. That was a ridiculous statement Fabs. I don't mind some of the laws we have either..but the need for common sense is even greater than the need for so many laws.. And making people responsible for their actions would be a big change for the better.

So, after the jackass across the way with no common sense fires a bullet through my house and kills my daughter, it would be just fine to hold him accountable. Question is, would that bring back my daughter. Would he even have the money to compensate my wife and I and my son for the loss of our daughter/sister? Same goes for the drunk driver driving down the road. Should it not be illegal to drive drunk? Should we not have a speed limit?

Thing is, some of the people that do stupid stuff have absolutely nothing to lose. We cyclists talk about this all the time. It isn't the rich guy driving the $100,000 Mercedes that we have to worry about, but the poor SOB with nothing but $20,000/$40,000 auto insurance, if that, and not a pot to piss in that we have to worry about running us over. They have hardly anything to lose. Same goes for the moron across the way trying to shoot at deer in the little 5 acre wetland area we have.

Do I think it is a bad thing that shooting firearms is not allowed in this area. Nope. I live directly across the street from a shopping center and the wetland area is surrounded by condos, townhouses, and single family homes. I don't really want idiots shooting ducks, doves, geese, groundhogs, or deer out there. My dad was shot while out dove hunting on a farm in Howard County. It left red welts on his hand. Don't need that sort of thing happening with high powered rifles around here.

Do you think it would be alright for people to stroll out into the streets in Manhattan and start firing at the pigeons? I'm sure there are plenty of people in that area that would find a pigeon to be a great meal. Plus, 250 years ago there was probably plenty of hunting, and great hunting at that, in that area (ignore the fact that Manhattan was built up to what it is nowadays).

Times change Skeet. You need to realize that and move on. I'm not for big government and high taxes, but there needs to be a lot more regulation and laws in place versus what there was 100 years ago. 100 years ago there were hardly any cars on the road, we did not have the interstate system, there was no such thing as social security and medicare (both of which I am willing to bet you collect or will collect), no computers, hardly any telephones much less cell phones, no TV, no computers, barely any movies, no video games, nowhere near the population there is today.

In 1910 there were 92 million people in the US.

Today, there are 309 million people in the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogra..._United_States

The population has more than tripled in 100 years. You lived on the Eastern Shore and now in Wyoming. Try coming over to Montgomery County and living here without many laws currently in place. Heck, cyclists and motorists cannot get along and there are even laws on the books regulating how both are supposed to conduct themselves. Imagine if there were no laws whatsoever regarding it.

Times aren't what they used to be back when the Indians and settlors were out hunting for food. Times aren't the same as they used to be when people took responsibility for what they did. Times have changed. Problem is, you want things to be like they were 50 years ago.

Yeah, I will agree that most people wouldn't have any clue what to do if technology were taken away from them. If this country went through some hell, 95% of the population would be screwed. However, that doesn't mean that there shouldn't be any laws in place before the country goes to hell.